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<div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for mentioning gender balance and sending in these numbers. </div><div>It is great to know the CSCG had an eye for this and sent a message about the disparity of male/female participation. </div><div><br></div><div>I`d like just to clarify that my comments about being worried about the process converge with a general ask for greater clarity and participation on the debate about the next 10 years of the IGF. All that is being discussed just reaffirms that the majority of civil society wants to participate on this debate, considering or not its start on retreat. </div><div><br></div><div>My congratulations to Sala and Nnenna have been expressed in other discussion spaces, as well as to all CS representatives. If not, here they go again. </div><div><br></div><div>On the spirit of moving forward, CS groups have much more to plan in relation to perspectives on internet governance. We all hope to have some news to share on this soon.</div><div><br></div><div>Best, </div><div><br></div><div>Renata</div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border:0; width:0px; height:0px;" src="https://app.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/mDds6oe6XqJByLhRD/gIt92YuwWah12ZA9mbpVXchJnI/gInJ3buMXdjVXYjdWauMHdzlGbAV2YuFmbyVmdvdmI/?sc=false" alt="">
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 6:47 PM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a></span>
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<div>If I may just touch on three things mentioned here:</div>
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<div>Firstly, submissions to the IGF Retreat close June 30. Is anyone planning a
submission? It’s one way to get things on the agenda. CSCG is doing a
submission, but in line with its brief it will only talk about cleaning up the
MAG nomination processes. ( we will make it public when it is finalised). But I
would encourage other submissions, that is one way to get matters of concern on
the table. I think the chance of a whole of civil society submission is remote
with only a week to go, so groups perhaps should take the opportunity to submit
individually.</div>
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<div>Secondly, one of the things the CSCG submission will raise is gender
balance. A point we will be making is that the continual habit of adjusting
civil society participation to give the appearance of better gender balance
overall does not solve the problem of sexual discrimination, and all
stakeholders need to be required to look more carefully at gender balance within
their own selections. As an example, looking at the overall balance among
stakeholders for this meeting you get something like</div>
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<div>Civil Society 5 – 1 male 4 female</div>
<div>Private Sector 5 – 3 male 2 female</div>
<div>Tech Community 5 – 4 male 1 female</div>
<div>Government and intergovernental 26 – 23 male, 3 female</div>
<div>Overall – 31 male, 10 female </div>
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<div>(havent double checked my figures but they wont alter much from that)
Clearly relying on civil society to provide better gender balance is doing
nothing to solve the underlying problem.</div>
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<div>And thirdly – just to clarify CSCG endorsements in this process. There was
never any dispute about Lea Kaspar, Stuart Hamilton and Anriette Esterhuysen
attending, as the direct nominees of CS MAG and CSCG respectively. However,
after some protests from our side about the process, UNDESA did eventually ask
us to endorse the nominations of Sala and Nnenna – neither of whom in the messy
and duplicative process they adopted were among the names originally considered
by CSCG. These names were suggested by UNDESA to improve overall geographic and
gender balance. The CSCG Nomcom did decide to endorse both Sala and Nnenna in
the circumstances. Both are of course excellent civil society representatives,
and it should be clear that CSCG is supportive of all the civil society
attendees at the retreat – if genuinely concerned about the messy way the
process was conducted.</div>
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<div>Ian Peter</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="raquino@gmail.com" href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">Renata Aquino Ribeiro</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:54 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="williams.deirdre@gmail.com" href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="james@cyberinvasion.net" href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">James Gannon</a> ; <a title="nnenna75@gmail.com" href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com">Nnenna Nwakanma</a> ;
<a title="lea@gp-digital.org" href="mailto:lea@gp-digital.org">Lea Kaspar</a> ; <a title="mshears@cdt.org" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">Matthew Shears</a> ; <a title="bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">Best
Bits</a> ; <a title="governance@lists.igcaucus.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">Internet Governance</a> ; <a title="forum@justnetcoalition.org" href="mailto:forum@justnetcoalition.org">JNC
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<div>Hi</div>
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<div>(Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if
appropriate)</div>
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<div>I'm not sure if being loud or making noise has done the best it could
so far. </div>
<div>I agree we should agree, as CS, on some topics but I also see the
challenge on that, being CS (fortunately) a diverse group. </div>
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<div>The topic of remote participation, for instance, has had some news in
this last call, as Lea has expressed.</div>
<div>The twitter like updates remain.</div>
<div>The streaming - even if partial - seems to be an idea which has been
dropped for the moment.</div>
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<div>As for the balance in SG representation on the retreat, from the list
one can easily see that CS numbers are low. Even more worrying, CSCG
nominees number are even lower. That when compared, for instance, with the
numbers of gov and intergov.</div>
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<div>I was reminded that even though CS is participating on retreat, each
one of its participants is there on their own personal capacity, not those
of their organization. </div>
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<div>So, while this makes it clearer fo the CS rep to express their
thoughts, also takes us back to the original question: what, if any, does
CS as a group have to do with the next 10 years of the IGF and how should
it go about it?</div>
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<div>Just a quick addition: I find twitter updates way more able to
interpretation and polemic than streaming of a meeting, so I do not
understand very well the choice there. What isn`t spoken has much more
power than what is out there in the open.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams <span dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this
discussion should be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With
apologies I have therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread
the word further to as much of "global civil society" as possible, since all
of us speaking together would have a VERY loud voice that would demand
attention.
<div>Best wishes</div>
<div>Deirdre</div></div>
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<div>On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know
I may be naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and
transparent was always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we
should be compromising those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that
what do we really have to move forward with.</div>
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<div>-jg</div>
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Nnenna Nwakanma <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Reply-To: </span>Nnenna Nwakanma <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </span>Tuesday 21 June 2016 at
17:20<br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span>Lea Kaspar <<a href="mailto:lea@gp-digital.org" target="_blank">lea@gp-digital.org</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: </span>Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>>, Best
Bits <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span>Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist]
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<div>Thanks, Lea<br><br></div>I think it is important that CS folks
organisee CS remote participation. That is, if the IGF secretariat is okay
with it. <br><br></div>Just thinking loud<br><br></div>Nnenna<br></div>
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<div>On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lea@gp-digital.org" target="_blank">lea@gp-digital.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still
not sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under
Chatham house rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can
corroborate -</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Lea</div>
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<div>On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>></span>
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<p>Great point Ayden. I would hope that those who have been
invited to participate will continue to be push hard for remote
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Lea,<br><br>Thank you for sharing this. I note that
Nitin Desai will be participating in the Retreat remotely. I wonder if
this mean that remote participation will be available to all to
observe the dialogue exchanged?
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<div>On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lea@gp-digital.org" target="_blank">lea@gp-digital.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the
full list of participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email
below.</div>
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Masango</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cmasango@unog.ch" target="_blank">cmasango@unog.ch</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Jun 20,
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The list of IGF Retreat
participants has been published at: <a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list</a></span></p>
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