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Thanks Bill,<div><br><div>I definitely agree with you. And I do personally believe we, as CS through the CSCG, can still withdraw from this process and draft a statement to be sent to DESA.</div><div><br></div><div>I feel this is THE time when we need to make such a statement to state our point (to avoid what you quoted from Parminder's point).</div><div><br></div><div>This is a personal opinion, not an IGC one. Would love to hear what other members think.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>A<br><div>---------------------</div><div>Arsene Tungali,</div><div>IGC Co-coordinator</div><div>@arsenebaguma</div><div><a dir="ltr" href="tel:+243%20993810967" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0">+243 993810967</a> (DRCongo)</div><a href="https://yho.com/footer0">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a> (excuse typos and brievity)<br><br><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 12:23 PM, William Drake <wjdrake@gmail.com> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail">Hi Arsene<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote class="" type="cite"><div class="">On May 24, 2016, at 15:42, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" ymailto="mailto:arsenebaguma@yahoo.fr" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">arsenebaguma@yahoo.fr</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="" dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464096862648_4074"><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="" dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464096862648_4170">Sorry, but I thought the CSCG (as per Ian's email) is receiving CS nominations and will report it to the IGF Secretariat? Please help me undertand.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Sorry, my mailer dumped Ian’s message into the archive rather than my IGC folder so I’d not seen it when I replied. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">That said, I really wish the CSCG had not decided to do this. I would rather see CS, and indeed all stakeholders, tell DESA that we will not participate in a closed meeting, period. Which is what it turns out this will likely be:</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><i class="">"Due to on-site logistics, online/remote participation may not be available for the retreat; however, outcome documents of the retreat will be shared for further comment/consultation." <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" target="_blank" href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-faqs">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-faqs</a></i></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I think for DESA to unilaterally organize such a meeting on a closed basis is a total violation of the principles of openness and inclusion that the “IGF community,” such as it is, has worked for ten years to bake into this process. And bear in mind, this is not an isolated incident. An uncomfortable amount of the real decision making about the IGF takes place off stage and hence off the radars of stakeholders. It seems that as long as people get to go once a year and do a workshop everyone’s fine with this, but I remember a time when we actually cared about how the IGF is run, having been the most vocal proponents of its creation.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">There is no reason on earth that an elite group of people selected by DESA needs to meet in the lovely leafy beach town of Glen Cove, Long Island in a place with no online facilities. In mid-July a conference room at the main UN can surely be found. If this somehow is not possible, a nearby hotel could probably provide a wired room for less than the price of Glen Cove. Ok, this wouldn't be a swank, so people who managed to get their plane tickets paid for wouldn't feel as much like an inner circle entrusted to chart the direction of the IGF’s evolution, but boo hoo.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">This is not a meeting to negotiate a nuclear arms treaty. It’s a meeting to talk about the IGF. If it is not transparent and open to participation then to me it has zero legitimacy, and civil society should not be undermining what is has worked for by participating. So I am in complete agreement with Parminder:</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote class="" type="cite"><div class="">On May 25, 2016, at 06:06, parminder <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="" ymailto="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span class="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);float:none;display:inline;">However the routine has been for the CS leadership to make some protest noises but then simply submit to whatever is offered. Lets for once stand out ground. Write a strong letter, and if we do not get a satisfactory response, refuse to go along. UNDESA/ IGF cannot keep contravening what are now the established rules of conduct for the IGF.</span></div></blockquote></div><div class="yQTDBase yqt0914824569" id="yqtfd28515"><div class=""><div class=""><span class="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);float:none;display:inline;"><br clear="none" class=""></span></div></div><div class=""><span class="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);float:none;display:inline;">Bill</span></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div></div><div id="msgSandbox_AM5hUtQAAUDAV0VvJAOZ4P39lqc_2" class="msgSandbox" style="padding: 1.5em 0.5em 0.5em 1.2em; word-wrap: break-word;"><div class="yQTDBase yqt0914824569" id="yqtfd79790">____________________________________________________________<br clear="none">You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br clear="none"> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" href="javascript:return">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br clear="none">To be removed from the list, visit:<br clear="none"> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">For all other list information and functions, see:<br clear="none"> <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br clear="none">To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br clear="none"> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Translate this email: <a shape="rect" href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote>
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