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<font face="Verdana">Ian<br>
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I will answer your last question first: "</font>Should CSCG, given
the opportunity (for the first time) by UNDESA to choose 2 of the
civil society reps, as well as recommendations for other vacancies,
say no...?"<br>
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At some time or the other we will have to say this. You know that
for MAG selection also we asked how a non transparent process was
followed, against the IGF WG's recs, and as far as I know we did not
get a response. A meeting about IGF has to follow similar, if not
more participative rules, and this selection process should be (1)
self managed by CS and (2) transparent, both required as per
existing rules.... So CS should self select all, and not just 2, of
the CS participants (now, if they say there is another CS selection
process other than CSCG that they also want to admit, let them name
that process - that would be transparency - lets see if there is
another process bec I havent heard of one. It should not be just a
CS org recommending itself bec that can hardly be called as a CS
self managed process... <br>
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If they agree, or otherwise reply satisfactorily, we can go ahead,
otherwise no.<br>
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I agree that it may not be for CSCG to get into issues other than
CS rep selection, and therefore if a larger protest letter involving
other issues as well has to be written it can be initiated by one of
the CS groups.....<br>
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parminder<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 25 May 2016 03:57 PM, Ian
Peter wrote:<br>
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<div>Bill, Parminder, others,</div>
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<div>Yes I also agree with the criticisms.</div>
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<div>But In coming to a decision to participate under protest
in this exercise, CSCG looked carefully at other reactions
to this.</div>
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<div>There is nothing I can see in the MAG discussions that
suggests that MAG members are considering a wholesale
withdrawal; and there is nothing yet to suggest any other
stakeholder group will not participate in the proposed
retreat and nomination of representatives– although just
about everyone is unhappy with the way this has been planned
and announced.</div>
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<div>At this point of time, it would appear that the planning
retreat is going ahead; that may change, and if that is the
case, well and good. But at this point of time it appears to
be going ahead, and we have the choice to either suggest the
best possible civil society reps or leave that to UNDESA. </div>
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<div>That was the call CSCG had to make. </div>
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<div>It is not appropriate for CSCG, which has a strict
mandate to simply deal with ensuring the best possible civil
society representation to outside bodies, to take on itself
a decision to lead opposition to a particular event. Here we
can only follow the decisions made by broader civil society
groups, not lead some sort of opposition. That’s the way I
read our limited mandate, anyway.</div>
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<div>So let me ask the question – are people suggesting a
complete boycott of this event by civil society? I see
strong support for a letter of protest, but as yet I don’t
see widespread support for boycotting the event. Please
indicate clearly if you think a boycott is appropriate. </div>
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<div>So yes I agree with the letter of protest – and would
urge someone to draft such a letter. If the CSCG member
groups all agree to sign, CSCG could be a signatory to such
a letter. </div>
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<div>But a boycott goes a lot further. Would the whole civil
society MAG group then not choose any representative (they
are a more diverse group that this list it seems) Would no
civil society people apply to attend? Unlikely I think.
Should CSCG, given the opportunity (for the first time) by
UNDESA to choose 2 of the civil society reps, as well as
recommendations for other vacancies, say no, civil society
is not interested in this workshop at all?</div>
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<div>Ian Peter</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="wjdrake@gmail.com"
href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">William Drake</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 25, 2016 7:23 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="arsenebaguma@yahoo.fr"
href="mailto:arsenebaguma@yahoo.fr">Arsene TUNGALI
(Yahoo)</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">Governance</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="raquino@gmail.com"
href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">Renata Aquino
Ribeiro</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="joly@punkcast.com"
href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">Joly MacFie</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] IGF Planning
Retreat</div>
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Arsene
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<div>On May 24, 2016, at 15:42, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo)
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:arsenebaguma@yahoo.fr">arsenebaguma@yahoo.fr</a>>
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dir="ltr">Sorry, but I thought the CSCG (as per
Ian's email) is receiving CS nominations and
will report it to the IGF Secretariat? Please
help me undertand.</div>
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<div>Sorry, my mailer dumped Ian’s message into the
archive rather than my IGC folder so I’d not seen it
when I replied. </div>
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<div>That said, I really wish the CSCG had not decided to
do this. I would rather see CS, and indeed all
stakeholders, tell DESA that we will not participate in
a closed meeting, period. Which is what it turns out
this will likely be:</div>
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<div><i>"Due to on-site logistics, online/remote
participation may not be available for the retreat;
however, outcome documents of the retreat will be
shared for further comment/consultation." <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-faqs"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-faqs">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-faqs</a></a></i></div>
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<div>I think for DESA to unilaterally organize such a
meeting on a closed basis is a total violation of the
principles of openness and inclusion that the “IGF
community,” such as it is, has worked for ten years to
bake into this process. And bear in mind, this is not
an isolated incident. An uncomfortable amount of the
real decision making about the IGF takes place off stage
and hence off the radars of stakeholders. It seems that
as long as people get to go once a year and do a
workshop everyone’s fine with this, but I remember a
time when we actually cared about how the IGF is run,
having been the most vocal proponents of its creation.</div>
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<div>There is no reason on earth that an elite group of
people selected by DESA needs to meet in the lovely
leafy beach town of Glen Cove, Long Island in a place
with no online facilities. In mid-July a conference
room at the main UN can surely be found. If this
somehow is not possible, a nearby hotel could probably
provide a wired room for less than the price of Glen
Cove. Ok, this wouldn't be a swank, so people who
managed to get their plane tickets paid for wouldn't
feel as much like an inner circle entrusted to chart the
direction of the IGF’s evolution, but boo hoo.</div>
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<div>This is not a meeting to negotiate a nuclear arms
treaty. It’s a meeting to talk about the IGF. If it is
not transparent and open to participation then to me it
has zero legitimacy, and civil society should not be
undermining what is has worked for by participating. So
I am in complete agreement with Parminder:</div>
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<div>On May 25, 2016, at 06:06, parminder <<a
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<div><span style="FLOAT: none; DISPLAY: inline
!important; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">However
the routine has been for the CS leadership to make
some protest noises but then simply submit to
whatever is offered. Lets for once stand out
ground. Write a strong letter, and if we do not
get a satisfactory response, refuse to go along.
UNDESA/ IGF cannot keep contravening what are now
the established rules of conduct for the IGF.</span></div>
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