<div dir="ltr">Thank you very much Norbert for the clarification.<div>I note the expert advice offered:</div><div><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;line-height:25.5px">The email expert recommended that mailing list operators suspend the list posting rights of <a href="http://yahoo.com">yahoo.com</a> users and ask them to re-subscribe to their lists with accounts from different email providers.</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Arial,sans-serif;line-height:25.5px">I also note the date of the article:</span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;line-height:25.5px"> </span></div><ul class="" style="margin:0px;padding:3px 0px 0px;width:auto;line-height:15.6px"><li itemprop="datePublished" style="font-size:12px;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:1.45em;list-style:none;width:auto;padding-left:10px;border-left-width:0px;color:rgb(153,153,153);padding-right:10px">Apr 8, 2014 6:10 AM</li><li itemprop="datePublished" style="line-height:1.45em;list-style:none;width:auto;padding-left:10px;border-left-width:0px;padding-right:10px"><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Such a pity that in more than two years some type of reconciliation of methods could not be achieved.</font></li><li itemprop="datePublished" style="line-height:1.45em;list-style:none;width:auto;padding-left:10px;border-left-width:0px;padding-right:10px"><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks again for the explanation</font></li><li itemprop="datePublished" style="line-height:1.45em;list-style:none;width:auto;padding-left:10px;border-left-width:0px;padding-right:10px"><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Deirdre</font></li></ul></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 May 2016 at 11:31, Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, 23 May 2016 10:50:49 -0400<br>
Deirdre Williams <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Second - instead of admonishing<br>
> Arsene for his Yahoo account should we not ask ourselves WHY Google<br>
> puts Yahoo messages in a spam folder?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html</a><br>
<br>
(The change in which this brokenness was extended to also include e.g.<br>
<a href="http://yahoo.fr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">yahoo.fr</a> was relatively recent.)<br>
<br>
> Is the intention perhaps to<br>
> create peer pressure (as has happened here) to make the Yahoo user<br>
> switch to a Gmail account?<br>
<br>
No. Google is handling the messages precisely in the way in which<br>
according to Yahoo they should be handled. It is Yahoo that should be<br>
blamed for using such DMARC settings for domains which host customer<br>
email addresses -- where there is no justification for assuming that<br>
people would never use such email addresses for subscribing to mailing<br>
lists.<br>
<br>
> Rather than blaming Arsene, perhaps we<br>
> should try to find a way to MAKE Google listen? Otherwise the<br>
> response from IGC members might well be to abandon Google until it<br>
> changes its ways?<br>
<br>
Trying to make Yahoo listen (which many people have tried already,<br>
unsuccessfully), and avoiding Yahoo until it changes its ways, would be<br>
a more reasonable response.<br>
<br>
As things are, Yahoo email addresses are currently not suitable for<br>
subscribing to mailing lists which conform to the relevant standards<br>
for how mailing lists should work.<br>
<br>
That said, some mailing lists use mitigation measures (implemented as<br>
an optional feature for example in recent versions of GNU Mailman) which<br>
change the From: header for postings from domains that have such DMARC<br>
settings. Such From: header munging is a violation of the relevant<br>
standards for how mailing lists should work, but it is an effective<br>
work-around.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
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