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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 31 October 2015 12:47 PM,
Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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<div>While I agree with your analysis,</div>
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Ian, I am not sure you are seeing it the way I am. This is not about
4-5 of us getting a few minutes from the podium. This is about civil
society representation will be chosen in the IG space. And if you
really feel it the way i do, why would you not agree to write as
such to those in charge of the process. <br>
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<div> I don’t think there is any chance at all that this
process will be changed in the short timeframe involved,
however strong a protest we make. </div>
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As I said, it does not matter if it changes. There is a larger
structural point here. On the other hand, I am about 90 percent sure
that if all groups involved in CSCG writes that this is not right,
and please let us do our own selection they would agree. Civil
society seems to have forgotten to leverage its legitimacy, and we
seem to cave in to just about everything, a being beyond us to
influence. This is not how it should be at all, <br>
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<div>So my own thoughts are that it is probably best to get
involved, and from that position make a strong statement
that the process is flawed and problematic from our point of
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Are you saying that the chosen speakers will speak from the podium
that this process is flawed, and in this way? Please be clear. But
if we are ready to have our speakers speak about it at the high
level meeting, why would we not want to write about it to the
co-facilitators and the concerned UN bureaucracy? Isnt that much
simpler, and at least have the potential of meaningful impact.<br>
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involved because in doing so we are able to correct some
excesses from our point of view, but certainly not all.</font></div>
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<font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Again, did not understand. What
excesses, and how are they corrected?</font></font><br>
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that’s just a personal point of view. We have just opened
a discussion on this in CSCG and decisions may be quite
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problem is that CSCG as such cannot nominate. Those who
can according to this process are: </div>
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These criteria are for those individuals who want to apply to be on
the multistakeholder selection committee. My proposal is to
disassociate CS selection from this multistakeholder selection
process, and ask for CSCG to do it (I find it highly likely that
they'd agree). So, the issue of the creteria you mention simply does
not apply to the proposal I am making and seeking your and other
people's views on. <br>
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style="face: "Times" new="" roman?="">Non-governmental
organizations in consultative status with the Economic
and Social Council • Organizations accredited to the
World Summit on the Information Society held in Geneva
(2003) and Tunis (2005) • Organizations accredited to
the WSIS Forum held from 2011 to 2015 • Organizations
with observer status with the United Nations Conference
on Trade and Development • Attendees of the UNESCO
WSIS+10 - ICT4D Conference or the UNESCO WSIS -
Connecting the Dots Conference • Organizations
accredited to the Financing for Development (FFD)
process • Organizations accredited to the United Nations
Sustainable Development Summit 2015 • Organizations
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CSCG as such is involved, it will have to be with our
nominations as representatives of civil society
organisations who do fit one at least of the above
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I am not asking for the CSCG to get involved with this
multistakeholder selection process. On the contrary, I am asking for
us to disassociate from it. <br>
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problem is that the time frame for selecting speakers is
roughly that of IGF – and with a 15 hour estimated
commitment it may not be easy to find people able to
represent us. I believe that if we are involved we should
try to fill both civil society slots on the selection
panel. But that will have to be as two separate
nominations (backed by CSCG) from different CS groups.</div>
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Again, you are speaking of CSCG getting involved with the current
process, which is fundamentally different from my proposal to ask
for CS nominations to be taken off the multistakeholder process, and
be taken over by CSCG itself. Same about the rest of your email
below.<br>
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Ian, lets look at it in two parts. Do the involved CS groups agree
that other stakeholders - big business, gov, ICANN/ ISOC - should
not be involved in selection of its reps? Yes or no. If yes, then
let us that put down in a letter. I am happy to fight the case, but
if we have such a position and want to fight the case. We cannot
keep citing expediency for just everything. But if we are ok with
such a process, that is a different matter, and let different groups
and individuals give their views... Their has to be some limit to -
we agree it is wrong, but....<br>
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parminder <br>
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if we do nominate representatives on the selection panel,
we have to do so this week. </div>
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if I may add a further factor – I will be stepping down as
the Independent Chair of CSCG shortly, as my term expires
soon. I will not be standing again, as various factors are
making it difficult for me to maintain an active
involvement in these forums; and I think it is time for
one of our very talented (and younger) members to take
over. CSCG is currently drafting an EOI to seek a new
independent Chair, with the aim of opening that process
before IGF so that people get a chance to discuss it while
many are present in Brazil. So the replacement process
hopefully will complete by the end of this year.</div>
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these circumstances – it would be good to hear from anyone
who has an interest in working with CSCG as part of this
particular process; I don’t necessarily want to be
involved if we have good reps able to consult with CSCG
members. If anyone is interested in this and wants to
contact me privately to assist in this way, I would be
happy to discuss further and approach CSCG as regards
their involvement.</div>
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for opening up a discussion on this. </div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:32 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] NOTE - Call for
Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General
Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10</div>
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face="Verdana">Please see the below announcement.<br>
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It seems that there is a strong effort to institutionalise
a system of civil society reps for speaker roles, but
perhaps later also for more substantive roles, </font>being
selected by multistakeholder committees, meaning that big
business and technical community gets a veto over civil
society rep selection. (Do remember here that 'technical
community' here is not that odd free and open software group
volunteering their time in supporting government schools or
the such. This term is accepted in the IG world now to
denote those who work for and represent organisations
engaged with technical governance of the Internet, and thus
represent a governance status quo group. The semantic
confusion about the term, as being people with technical
capacities, is deliberate in order to utilise a certain
legitimacy for what is a power based governance system.)<br>
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The structural problem with such a process should be
obvious.<br>
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This is not acceptable for me, my organisation and the
networks that I work with. Civil society has traditionally
been fiercely protective of its independence, which includes
the right to choose its own nominees (for instance, any
efforts at national govs 'clearing' civil society reps from
their countries has been strongly resisted at the UN and
other global governance levels). I think we need to write
back to those responsible for this process that , thanks but
no thanks, you tell us how many CS sepakers you want and we
have a process of selection for CS reps and we will deliver
the names by the date you want.<br>
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May I appeal to Ian and the CSCG to frame and send such a
letter to WSIS process co-facilitators, and the concerned UN
bureaucracy, at the earliest. Before these mentioned
deadlines pass.<br>
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Meanwhile, let me give some background on this....<br>
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Just Net Coalition did write a letter addressed to the
co-facilitators against such a process of big business
sitting over decisions on CS reps. It seems to have had no
effect.<br>
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A few years back, there was an attempt by a certain group in
the IGF MAG, led by the then Exec Director of the IGF,
Markus Kummer, to institute a method of selections of non
gov MAG members by a committee of older non gov MAG members.
I was able to attend MAG meetings in those days as a Special
Advisor to the chair. I opposed such a process of CS nominee
selection by a committee that included big business and
technical community (read the ICANN/ ISOC system). I was
able to get the support of a few CS MAG members in the room,
and I distinctly remember Graciala, Katitza, and Foaud in
this regard, and perhaps a person or two more whose names
may have dropped from my memory (my apologies).... And
because of the CS opposition this problematic move had to be
abandoned. Now it seems to be coming back from another
door, and we need to stand up against it once again.<br>
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Again, we have very little turnaround time here. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 30 October 2015 08:04
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Subject: [NGO News:] Call for Nomination: Stakeholder
Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on
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To: <a href="mailto:crossini@publicknowledge.org"
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<p><strong>Deadlines: </strong></p>
<p><span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><strong>8
November 2015: Apply for Selection Committee</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"><strong>12
November 2015: Apply for Speaking Roles</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>The General Assembly High-level Meeting
on the overall review of the implementation of
the outcomes of the World Summit on the
Information Society will take place on 15-16
December 2015 at the UN Headquarters in New
York.</strong></p>
<p>This high-level meeting will provide an
opportunity for in-depth discussions on important
issues in the implementation of the WSIS outcomes,
including the progress, gaps and challenges, as
well as areas for future actions.</p>
<p><strong>To apply to speak at the High-level
Meeting, please complete the form available <a
href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ffRSw8C5UGYRKrzdpCiWnyc2EMVTbmZ1SVGNnhs0FcQ/viewform"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">here</a></strong>.
Applications will be accepted from <strong>30
October to</strong> <strong>12 November 2015</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>A Selection Committee will be established</strong>
in order to ensure broad and inclusive
participation of stakeholders in the high-level
meeting. Applications to the Selection Committee
will be accepted from <strong>30 October to 8
November 2015</strong>. To learn more about the
Selection Committee, please see the Terms of
Reference <span>by <a
href="http://csonet.org/content/documents/WSIS+10_ToR_Steering_Committee.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">clicking
on this link</a></span>. <strong>To apply to
participate in the stakeholder Selection
Committee, please complete the form available </strong><a
href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pzCRKLri16XUMNYNA9QECFnhCrO9Ub7ex0Ho2vdYp2k/viewform"
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<p><strong>Background</strong></p>
<p>In December of 2003, the world came together in
Geneva at the World Summit on Information Society
(WSIS) to declare a "common desire and commitment
to build a people-centred, inclusive and
development-oriented Information Society," and
ushered in an era of harnessing the power of
information and communication technology to
contribute to the achievement of the Millennium
Development Goals (MDGs). The resulting Geneva
Plan of Action established targets and the eleven
action lines, which guide development in specific
areas.</p>
<p>The second phase of WSIS, conducted in Tunis in
2005, built upon the achievements of the Geneva
Plan, with the resulting Tunis Agenda addressing
additional issues, such as financing and internet
governance. Paragraph 111 of the Tunis Agenda,
endorsed by the General Assembly in resolution
60/252, requested the General Assembly to
undertake the overall review of the implementation
of the outcomes of WSIS in 2015. In response, the
General Assembly in resolution 68/302, decided
that the overall review will be concluded by a
two-day high-level meeting of the General
Assembly, to be preceded by an intergovernmental
process that also takes into account inputs from
all relevant stakeholders of WSIS.</p>
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