<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19945" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19944">Can you explain what dig + trace mean? </span></div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19953"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19956"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19955">Nathalie </div></div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19961"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19960"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19959"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19963"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh@hserus.net> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "governance@lists.igcaucus.org" <governance@lists.igcaucus.org>; Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net>; willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr@riseup.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:10 AM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19979"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19978">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] The decentralization of the DNS system<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19965"><br>On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> What you call a fairyland is the reality that you happen to be using to even<br clear="none">> be able to send this email.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Indeed, I see no evidence of an alt-root in this dig + trace:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> theglobaljournal.net MX +trace<br clear="none">;; global options: printcmd<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS c.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS a.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS h.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS k.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS g.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS d.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS f.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS j.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS m.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS e.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS b.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS l.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">. 10431 IN NS i.root-servers.net.<br clear="none">;; Received 228 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 45 ms<br clear="none"><br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS h.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS e.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS m.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS c.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS k.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS g.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS j.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS b.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS d.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS f.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS i.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS l.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">net. 172800 IN NS a.gtld-servers.net.<br clear="none">;; Received 507 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(c.root-servers.net) in 46 ms<br clear="none"><br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 172800 IN NS a.dns.gandi.net.<br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 172800 IN NS b.dns.gandi.net.<br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 172800 IN NS c.dns.gandi.net.<br clear="none">;; Received 228 bytes from 192.54.112.30#53(h.gtld-servers.net) in 122 ms<br clear="none"><br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 600 IN MX 10 spool.mail.gandi.net.<br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 600 IN MX 50 fb.mail.gandi.net.<br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 10800 IN NS c.dns.gandi.net.<br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 10800 IN NS b.dns.gandi.net.<br clear="none">theglobaljournal.net. 10800 IN NS a.dns.gandi.net.<br clear="none">;; Received 142 bytes from 173.246.98.1#53(a.dns.gandi.net) in 39 ms<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> That chinese proposal is not a technical one - it is a smokescreen for a<br clear="none">> political move.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Censorship seems to be the motivation.<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt5839605069" id="yqtfd60459"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Any civil society that actually winds up supporting it<br clear="none">> finds itself endorsing a multilateral model where civil society, industry or<br clear="none">> other non government stakeholders are shut off from decision making.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> If that is your intent, then please do say so in slightly clearer terms than<br clear="none">> you have so far.</div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">If you are looking for a chinese proposal to scale the root, the one<br clear="none">described here seems to be less offensive to CS sensibilities:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/" target="_blank">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Cheers,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">McTim<br clear="none">"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br clear="none">route indicates how we get there." 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