<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It is simply a tool to query DNS and get specific / verbose details in your DNS query.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In essence, that query below shows you the path a DNS query for the MX record of “<a href="http://theglobaljournal.com" class="">theglobaljournal.com</a>” (that is, what mail servers handle mail for <a href="http://theglobaljournal.com" class="">theglobaljournal.com</a>) took, all the way from the root servers, to the DNS server(s) for <a href="http://theglobaljournal.com" class="">theglobaljournal.com</a> - managed by Jean Christophe’s provider <a href="http://gandi.net" class="">gandi.net</a> - which then responds with details of the mail servers on which his email is hosted.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That path flows down from the root servers - and guarantees that whoever, or whichever dns server anywhere in the world, makes that query, will end up with that answer.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With an “alternate root” setup, there could very well be one set of roots claiming that Jean-Christophe’s email resides on, say, a mail server at a university in India, rather than on his provider <a href="http://Gandi.net" class="">Gandi.net</a> in France. To use a sort of correct analogy, that would be like if you searched a telephone directory for his address and phone number, and found two different entries for those under his name. [of course assuming he is the only jean-christophe nothias in his city - like there is only one domain <a href="http://theglobaljournal.com" class="">theglobaljournal.com</a>]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope that makes McTim’s reply clearer.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 23-Jun-2015, at 7:02 pm, nathalie coupet <<a href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com" class="">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19945" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19944" class="">Can you explain what dig + trace mean? </span></div><div class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19953" class=""> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19956" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19955" class="">Nathalie </div></div><br class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19961" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19960" class=""> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19959" class=""> <hr size="1" class=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19963" class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" class="">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" class="">suresh@hserus.net</a>> <br class=""><b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" class="">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" class="">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>; Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" class="">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>>; willi uebelherr <<a href="mailto:willi.uebelherr@riseup.net" class="">willi.uebelherr@riseup.net</a>> <br class=""> <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:10 AM<br class=""> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19979" class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19978" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] The decentralization of the DNS system<br class=""> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1435062071518_19965"><br class="">On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian<br clear="none" class=""><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" class="">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="">> What you call a fairyland is the reality that you happen to be using to even<br clear="none" class="">> be able to send this email.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Indeed, I see no evidence of an alt-root in this dig + trace:<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">; <<>> DiG 9.3.2 <<>> <a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a> MX +trace<br clear="none" class="">;; global options: printcmd<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://c.root-servers.net" class="">c.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://a.root-servers.net" class="">a.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://h.root-servers.net" class="">h.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://k.root-servers.net" class="">k.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://g.root-servers.net" class="">g.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://d.root-servers.net" class="">d.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://f.root-servers.net" class="">f.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://j.root-servers.net" class="">j.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://m.root-servers.net" class="">m.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://e.root-servers.net" class="">e.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://b.root-servers.net" class="">b.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://l.root-servers.net" class="">l.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">. 10431 IN NS <a href="http://i.root-servers.net" class="">i.root-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">;; Received 228 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 45 ms<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://h.gtld-servers.net" class="">h.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://e.gtld-servers.net" class="">e.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://m.gtld-servers.net" class="">m.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://c.gtld-servers.net" class="">c.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://k.gtld-servers.net" class="">k.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://g.gtld-servers.net" class="">g.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://j.gtld-servers.net" class="">j.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://b.gtld-servers.net" class="">b.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://d.gtld-servers.net" class="">d.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://f.gtld-servers.net" class="">f.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://i.gtld-servers.net" class="">i.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://l.gtld-servers.net" class="">l.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">net. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://a.gtld-servers.net" class="">a.gtld-servers.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">;; Received 507 bytes from 192.33.4.12#53(<a href="http://c.root-servers.net" class="">c.root-servers.net</a>) in 46 ms<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net" class="">a.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://b.dns.gandi.net" class="">b.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 172800 IN NS <a href="http://c.dns.gandi.net" class="">c.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">;; Received 228 bytes from 192.54.112.30#53(<a href="http://h.gtld-servers.net" class="">h.gtld-servers.net</a>) in 122 ms<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 600 IN MX 10 <a href="http://spool.mail.gandi.net" class="">spool.mail.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 600 IN MX 50 <a href="http://fb.mail.gandi.net" class="">fb.mail.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 10800 IN NS <a href="http://c.dns.gandi.net" class="">c.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 10800 IN NS <a href="http://b.dns.gandi.net" class="">b.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class=""><a href="http://theglobaljournal.net" class="">theglobaljournal.net</a>. 10800 IN NS <a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net" class="">a.dns.gandi.net</a>.<br clear="none" class="">;; Received 142 bytes from 173.246.98.1#53(<a href="http://a.dns.gandi.net" class="">a.dns.gandi.net</a>) in 39 ms<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">><br clear="none" class="">> That chinese proposal is not a technical one - it is a smokescreen for a<br clear="none" class="">> political move.<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Censorship seems to be the motivation.<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="yqt5839605069" id="yqtfd60459"><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""> Any civil society that actually winds up supporting it<br clear="none" class="">> finds itself endorsing a multilateral model where civil society, industry or<br clear="none" class="">> other non government stakeholders are shut off from decision making.<br clear="none" class="">><br clear="none" class="">> If that is your intent, then please do say so in slightly clearer terms than<br clear="none" class="">> you have so far.</div><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">If you are looking for a chinese proposal to scale the root, the one<br clear="none" class="">described here seems to be less offensive to CS sensibilities:<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><a shape="rect" href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20141107_secure_unowned_hierarchical_anycast_root_name_service_and_apologia/</a><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">-- <br clear="none" class="">Cheers,<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">McTim<br clear="none" class="">"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br clear="none" class="">route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<div class="yqt5839605069" id="yqtfd51989"><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><br class=""><div class="yqt5839605069" id="yqtfd53654">____________________________________________________________<br clear="none" class="">You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br clear="none" class=""> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" class="">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br clear="none" class="">To be removed from the list, visit:<br clear="none" class=""> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank" class="">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">For all other list information and functions, see:<br clear="none" class=""> <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br clear="none" class="">To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br clear="none" class=""> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Translate this email: <a shape="rect" href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank" class="">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br clear="none" class=""></div><br class=""><br class=""></div> </div> </div> </div></div>____________________________________________________________<br class="">You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br class=""> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" class="">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br class="">To be removed from the list, visit:<br class=""> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" class="">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br class=""><br class="">For all other list information and functions, see:<br class=""> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" class="">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br class="">To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br class=""> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" class="">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br class=""><br class="">Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" class="">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>