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I regret you feel obliged to put some acrimony in this last reply. No need. The "I don't trust you" remark is certainly of no help in any open debate. so keeping head cool, I will keep the debate cool as well. See in-lines.<br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></span>
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<br><div><div>Le 22 juin 2015 à 12:32, McTim a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global<br>Journal <<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for your additional comments McTim.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1_<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">May I challenge the idea that hierarchy would come without a ruling party at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the top.<br></blockquote><br><br>You certainly may challenge, but as an example in IG which disproves<br>your theory is Internet number resource distribution.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I am not building any theory here. I am mostly deconstructing a narrative and giving way to alternative. </div><div><br></div><div>No one will be naive enough not to understand that the Internet root zone policy book belongs to hierarchs, whether you look at ICANN, IANA, IETF... This is a smart ruling system, still a ruling system. </div><div><br></div><div>Thinking about the concrete meaning of the "global addressing community" it sounds like a nice idea, it might not survive the pragmatic examination of its reality. We would love to learn more about what it is exactly and how this global community interacts, expresses wishes or comes to decision.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br>there is a hierarchy (IANA is the "root" so to speak), yet IANA<br>distributes according to policies devised not by itself, but by the<br>global addressing community. ICANN does not "rule" IANA actions in<br>this area.<br><br><br></div></blockquote><div>ICANN hosts IANA until it will hold it in a few months of time, once the auto-transition is completed. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So in such a hierarchic world, the current handling of the ICANN root zone<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(domain name to IP management) is not only technical, but political<br></blockquote><br>it is more administrative in nature<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>You underestimate the value of ICANN! Tell them they are administrative in nature. Allocating new TLDs is not just simple administrative in nature. No. Other examples needed?<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>( in a<br><blockquote type="cite">public policy sense) and has to be considered as "controlling" the ability<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for people to access content, and more as it does public policy rulings by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">itself. So the right phrasing is who controls and enforces a single root<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">zone is de facto imposing its rulings to anyone. As there was until now no<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">one else to offer such a "service" (well, now it is changing thanks to Open<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Root), everyone was entitled to believe that there was no alternative to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ICANN. Which is a very false idea.<br></blockquote><br><br>alt roots have been around for a long time, they just haven't gained traction.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Agree with that. Happy that you agree with me as well (alternative to ICANN exists). But then why is it so that only one is leading the party? You should go beyond that well-known fact and help anyone to reflect upon the absence of fair competition, or true public policy making.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you have specifics info about the fact that PIR has been given the .ngo new gTLD? We all know that PIR is putting money into ISOC, and into ICANN. Fair?<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><blockquote type="cite">2_You deny the idea of several root-zone management handlers.<br></blockquote><br><br>no<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Thanks for that.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br> You speak of<br><blockquote type="cite">coherence. Indeed coherence is a technical necessity. Having several root<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">zone and several root zone management has to be understood in a very<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pragmatic fashion. Why is Open Root info coherent with the ICANN root zone?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Easy answer. Open Root does as Google does it. It copies it every xx seconds<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to stay coherent. Then, tell us what forbids ICANN to copy the Open root<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">data? Nothing. I repeat: nothing. Only the idea that having several root<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">zone would jeopardize the single ruling party who obtained its holy<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">authority from divine and natural law. We are talking of files with of small<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">size in terms of octet, and once you are correctly directed thanks to a root<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">zone manager, you navigate safely. Consistency or coherence comes when all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the players accept to inform or be informed of what any root zone offers.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Let's keep in mind that the basic coherence lies with IP addresses, and that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the root-zone itself has no power to deprive an IP address from its content.<br></blockquote><br><br>right, so the DNS is simply a convenient layer of misdirection, which<br>negates your argument above re: "controlling who sees content.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>McTim, don't you have any better trick to escape my point. Being able to "see", "find", "access" is critical in any communication system. I don't think we need to ask everyone to read the "The Theory of Communicative Action" to understand why the DNS is essential, and core to the current asymmetry in the public space.</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">It can only be blind to it. The game is simply to direct a visitor, calling<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on a domain name, directly, or through redirection, to reach a file located<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">at an IP address or a set of IP addresses able to locate the requested<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">files.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">3_<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The idea of a broken Internet is fun, but simplistic and again false. But<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">as Open root offers new TLDs with a very good bargain, we haven't seen the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet being broken. It would be known if it was so. Indeed it will<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">simply not do that, whether it operates a single new TLD or a thousand<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">TLDs. It will enlarge the Internet by adding more TLDs to the web. And no<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">one would get lost.<br></blockquote><br>Exc ept in the case offered whereby you are the Registry for .ngo,<br>and so is PIR. Once you offer a name that is also in the PIR<br>zonefile, but has a different IP address, then coherence is "lost".<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>No coherence is lost, as soon as you understand that technically speaking several root zone managements can allow to give you "results" as Google is giving you "results" when searching for something (and not just one result). Then you pick up the website that you want to explore. There are other options to maintain the reply consistent with the result of the research. There is no danger to coherence, as soon as you relax a bit about letting things getting back to the original conception of the root zone (before the 1998 power grab by USG and ICANN).</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">4_<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You write: "I just bought a new computer and there was no "DNS settings are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pre-set to an ICANN slave".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This is interesting. So this computer was free of any DNS setting. Maybe<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this computer was sold without a system. All Apple devices come with a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pre-DNS setting pointing at an ICANN affiliates.<br></blockquote><br><br>Are you talking about root zone priming?<br><br><br> But then, as lucky you are,<br><blockquote type="cite">you still wanted to connect to the Internet. You probably found a telecom<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">provider to obtain a connection. And then, what happen? You decided to visit<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">JNC's website to learn about its latest statement (just kidding). So you<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">launched Safari, Firefox or any other available browser. Then you did<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">voluntarily set your DNS by introducing the IP of the servers that would<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">reply to your request<br></blockquote><br>yes<br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">(whether inserting an IP address or a domain name).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Then you hesitated.<br></blockquote><br><br>there was no hesitation.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Would you introduce IP by ICANN, or IP by Open-Root?<br></blockquote><br>Neither, I used an OpenDNS server IP and a Google Public DNS IP.<br><br><br><br> So<br><blockquote type="cite">you decided to introduce two Open Root IP addresses as your primary and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">secondary DNS server. And being still very lucky on that beautiful day, you<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">did access to contents you wanted to find. Thanks to the warning on your<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">computer indicating that you had a choice between ICAN, OPEN-Root, and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Smart-Root for your DNS settings, you felt you belonged to a fair world. By<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">doing so you could find more websites, and not only the ones that ICANN can<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"see", but the ones Open Root or Smart-Root can see. And still no broken<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet.<br></blockquote><br><br>Except that I wanted to see foo.ngo (registered via PIR) and instead I<br>got foo.ngo regitered by your .ngo "registry", coherence was lost,<br>Interwebz broken. QED.<br><br><br> The planet earth wasn't flat. It was round. Civil society should<br><blockquote type="cite">be at the forefront of this fight. But no, it is submitted to la voix de son<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">maître.<br></blockquote><br><br>I trust Nipper (name of the dog in the painting<br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Master%27s_Voice</a>) and PIR. I don't<br>trust you.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So McTim, if you wish to create Smart-Root, I am all yours.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Until then, I am an Open-Rooter, and all my computers and devices enjoy it.<br></blockquote><br><br>that is your prerogative, I am not, and that is mine.<br><br><br>/McTim<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Le 21 juin 2015 à 15:22, McTim a écrit :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><cc list trimmed to lists I am subbed to><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Journal <<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Adebunmi, Willi,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'd like to try to explain why the "decentralization" idea is one of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">very misguiding conception in the field of Internet Governance, as I feel<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this is a very "core" part of the overall misunderstanding<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Agreed, there is a misunderstanding.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">When McTim, and Norbert respectively mention their view as:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">McTim: "The DNS is already decentralized by it's very nature. I think the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">word the Willi seeks is 'non-hierachical'".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Norbert: " The DNS has been designed as a highly decentralized system with a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">very lightweight root"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In the Internet, what is truly "decentralized" are the networks<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(infrastructure level). They belong to separate entities. They are managed<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">by different authorities whether private or public or public/private. They<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">are by nature decentralized by opposition to a centralized network. These<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">networks are interconnected by technical means, creating a virtual single<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">space where packets can circulate from one gate to another according to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">protocols, from one IP address to another IP address.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In the Internet, what is truly "centralized" is the management of the DNS<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(governance issue).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">No, the correct term for this is "hierarchical. The DNS is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">DE-centralised. Nameservers are run by local entities in much the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">same way that routers are run by local entities. In theory, you<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">control your own router, you also control your own DNS server. In<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">practice, most users leave those chores to service providers.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We all understand what, by extension, the notion of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"very nature" means. It means by conception, or to be even more precise by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">human conception of an information technology (IT) system. So indeed nothing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"natural", but an artificial IT engineering conception. Nothing wrong with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that, but just to highlight the fact that there is no "natural order" in the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet conception. Only intelligence by computer scientists and telecom<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">engineers.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Why is it possible to claim that the DNS management was conceptualized as<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">being highly "centralized" (and not "decentralized"). Simply because in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">order to have one "directory boutique" that can reply correctly (i.e. link<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to files located at an IP address) when asked about connecting a visitor to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a domain name, you make it easy only if this "directory of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">name-to-IPaddress" has every single name at hand, and is able to allocate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">domain name with no duplication of ownership, is able to centralize all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">updates/changes in the directory. In that sense, one can write that "by its<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">very nature", the DNS management needs to be highly centralized. Once it is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">very centralized it is essential that it will be highly "distributed" with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In order to have the "coherence" described above, you need hierarchy,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">not centralization.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Now looking at the governance of the Internet, one core element of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">dominant/asymmetric narrative, beyond the idea that it was an open bar<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(multistakeholders drinking beer on an equal footing), is that precisely<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">because the DNS management was by its "very nature decentralized", so was<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">its governance, leading to the fairytale that "no one controls the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">There is no ONE entity that controls the Internet. No one can<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">possibly do this as the "Internet" isn't a "thing" that can be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">controlled per se. It is a network of networks, each controlled by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">different entities.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">CQFD. We can understand why this sounds smart to qualify or label<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the Internet Governance a decentralized space.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The DNS management has to be somehow "hierarchical" based on the old<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">master/slave IT concept - that is still the best way to make sure that we<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">are all using only one name-to-address directory.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Now, coming to an even more interesting point.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Why should there be a single "directory" when it is possible to have plenty?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Coherence.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Let's keep in mind that the word directory is wrong in this context. A<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">directory is not supposed to allocate domain name to anyone, or to allocate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">TLDs whether ccTLDs or gTLDs to anyone. A directory has a basic database<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">management role, highly centralized and distributed thanks to its many<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">slaves. Now a boutique like ICANN is doing much more than a directory.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Let's suppose that we are familiar with all what ICANN does, still, it is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">very possible to have several ICANNs. One of them is OPEN-ROOT. It has a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">different philosophy - as an example, you pay your TLD once and for life,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">still it has the ability to reply to anyone with a request related to domain<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">names sold by ICANN and its slaves affiliates (distributed network of a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">highly centralized function). Moreover Open-Root brings in new TLDs, and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">allow people to use more of these, safely. Moreover, there should be even<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">more OPEN-ROOTS; that is no threat to the so-called OPEN-FREE-DECENTRALIZED<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">network of networks (the term decentralized s correctly used here). By doing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">so, it introduces competition in a sector highly monopolistic. So each of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the users would benefit from that competition, not endangering the fair use<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of Internet. Again, I am actually using Open-Root to browse the web, and I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">am myself a registry/registar for the gTLD .ngo.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So you are a Registry operator for the TLD .ngo. So is PIR. If you<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sell mctim.ngo to me, but someone else registers mctim.ngo via PIR,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">then coherence is broken.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Interestingly there is no<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">real need for these intermediate function with Open root. I did this by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">paying 200 € paid to Open-Root. And to be fair, let me correct McTim by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">saying that Open-Root offers more than ICANN as Open-Root edits new TLDs<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(not seen by ICANN actually)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">yes, they offer a broken Internet.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">McTim writes very rightly that:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"If a TLF is not published in the IANA root, the vast majority of users<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">can't see it".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This is a critical issue. Because users are not yet aware that they are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">alternatives, and because all computers (distributed central power), the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">users are again part of capture<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">audience with no choice. But it doesn't mean that over time this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">domination/capturing will sustain.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Demonstrably false. I just bought a new computer and there were no<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"DNS settings are pre-set to an ICANN slave".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Would civil society representatives (whatever legitimacy they claim they<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have) call for a competitive approach to DNS management, and not just<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">basically support transition of IANA from ICANN to ICANN, would they support<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">at least one single alternative root zoot management operator, they would<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">gain leverage in terms of influencing and changing the unbearable asymmetry.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">probably not.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">/McTim<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This competition would immediately pave the way to solutions that might fit<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to Willi's hope and demand.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The power of commercial digital players, the advantages they gain from this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">single DNS rootzone management is huge and not acceptable if anyone has in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">mind an idea of public interest, or even considers the Internet as some sort<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of global common good. Obama said something like this lately.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Having a competitor would help to self regulate the Internet, without having<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to build-up digital Ligne Maginot or nation state totalitarian system.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But a few benefit greatly from the current state of things, and are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">obviously not willing to give away their privilèges.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Old story<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">JC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">McTim. Thanks for your comments. Let's have Louis adding his own comments,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and more specifically what are his views of the surveillance aspect of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">alternative root zone management. Rootzone management has little to do with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">routers by the way.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Le 20 juin 2015 à 08:10, Adebunmi AKINBO a écrit :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Jean,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Much respected response.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for the consideration.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-Akinbo.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Journal <<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You are very right Adebunni. Sorry for my advise. I just didn't want to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">bother anyone with simple ideas that work, and that will soon or later<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">transform the current asymmetry.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">JC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(the lists are not always the best venue to "share" as we have to face a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">lot of negativity in here)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Le 20 juin 2015 à 07:40, Adebunmi AKINBO a écrit :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Willi,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Whatever you do, do not take Jean's advice to write directly to him.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You two need to share your opinion with people like me or the world.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">How best does Africa begin to learn and participate without you both<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sharing your thoughts?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I do appreciate it. Both of you.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Journal <<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Willi,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for sharing your thoughts. If I may put two comments on this.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1_<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In my opinion, "decentralization" seems not to be the appropriate word to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">describe what and how to change the current monopole under ICANN.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Information Technology is somehow always related to a Master and its slaves,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">by electronic nature.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2_<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Localisation is often associated with the idea of "nation". Keep in mind<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that this could mean to imprison people into old boundaries. Localisation<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">might be interesting if a community decides to set up its own network (see<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the Spanish experiment on this) but that does not address the DNS issue.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In other words, decentralization has been a buzz word propagated by the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">current owners/rulers of the DNS root zoot management. And basically it is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">part of the dominant narrative related to the so-called, open, free,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">decentralized Internet under US/allies ruling boot. Localisation might<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">equate to a returning in the past, pushing us back within the boundaries of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the old national thinking. Not sure if we really want this.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What is more needed is either a global common governance (option one),<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">with a public interest perspective, or a competitive market. Were we not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">satisfied with the ICANN, we should turn to another root-zone manager. This<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">is no dream or utopia. I am no longer sending my domain name request to an<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ICANN affiliate server, but instead using the Open-Root system to find<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">whatever I am looking for on the web. Thanks to Open-Root, we are also<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">providing for free one domain name with a gTLD managed by Open-Root to NGOs.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">When the new gTLD .ngo by PIR (Public INterest Registry) given by ICANN to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ISOC (PIR is ISOC's TLD roommate and milk cow) is an additional business<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">supposed to make more money, we are happy to provide access to IPs through<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">an independent, cheap (for free, or paid for life) domain name. All our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">computers are using Open-Root DNS management to access website that ICANN et<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">al cannot see if we do not want the US surveillance apparatus to see it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The first option (Global Common Governance) is almost dead, thanks to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">systematic blockade by the US (gov and businesses) and its usual allies.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Moreover, this first option would require both an architectural re-thinking<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(see JFC's email) and a political and institutional framing (see JNC for its<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">democratic approach of the Internet governance). A long way to go. You show<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">note that the request for a roadmap to a new Internet Governance, as put<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">before the Net Mundial Conference has gone no where expect into giving to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ICANN more power over the IANA functions (shifting power from the US to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">US).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The second option is fair competition (which I like as it means ending<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the de facto ICANN monopole) and we are free to practice competition it at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">any time starting today.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">A third option is an old fashion scheme that would fragment the Internet<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">into national sub-Internets, (Westphalian Internets). This is not just<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">old-fashion. This would be a way to imprison people back into their country<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">land under the control of their leaders (good luck with that), unless the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">current efforts by a few academics come to conclusion in order to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">interconnect different root-zone management systems. There are a few bright<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">minds working on this interconnectivity, whether the roots would be national<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or global.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">For anyone interested to use the OPEN ROOT to browse the web, and break<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">free from the ICANN affiliates, feel free to write to me for guidance and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">information.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">JC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Le 19 juin 2015 à 23:28, willi uebelherr a écrit :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The decentralization of the DNS system<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We need a completely self-organizing Internet. And this is possible only<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">through massive decentralization. We can look at the difficulties at the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">beginning of the Internet with tolerance. They were mostly of technical<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">nature. But today we have other conditions. And under such other conditions<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">arise other possibilities.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It is about the IP address. It is necessary to ensure that the packets<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">find their direct path to their goals. The router work with numbers. We<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">humans with text. The content is the same. Only the representation is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">different.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The Internet, a transport system for digital data in packet form, needs<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the destination address in order to direct the packets to their<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">destinations. The packages contain that destination address. Thus, the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">packets are always the instance to activate and orient the router.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This, however, requires the knowledge of the geographical position of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">target in order to determine the direction to this. But this question is not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the subject of this text. Here i speak about about how the transformation of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a text can be organized properly into the numerical representation of the IP<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">address.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We focus on the ccTLD (country code Top Level Domain). It is the first<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">level of the cascade for the decentralized organization of the DNS system.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The gTLD (generic TLD such as .com, .org, .net ...) do not interest us. Each<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">person can decide for themselves whether they want to apply this nonsense.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Each host on the Internet, client or server or both, has a unique and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">singular geographical position. We describe it with the world coordinate<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">system WCS 1984 (WCS84) or later versions. All GPS and online map systems<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">work with that. For mobile devices, this is always the position of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">access point to the Internet. To transport the packages we need this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">information so that the router can select the most direct route.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The decentralization of the DNS system rests on the cascade steadily<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">reduced regions. The first level is the ccTLD. So a country with borders, as<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">we know it today. We can use this, although it is not optimal. All other<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">levels are determined exclusively in their regions. The administration, as<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">set, change, and resolve, only happens in the region. This applies to each<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">level.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The organizational level for the ccTLD is the association of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">countries on our planet. So the UN. The regions within a country are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">organizational objects in the respective country. Local regions are<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">organizational properties of the larger region.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The organizational models are always determined at the level of each<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">region. In order for a region in Brazil is achieved via the ccTLD ".br"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">worldwide. But their internal deeper structure may be different from the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">structure in Kenya, India or Russia. Regardless of the specific local /<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">regional organizational structure of the DNS system, we always get the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">correct IP address for our goal. Only the principles of the resolution of a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">domain sequence into a numeric IP address is the subject of our common<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">discussion.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">With the local self-organization we dissolve the need for global Internet<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Governance. This may for organizations, that are derive its raison d'être<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">from the global Internet Governance, be uncomfortable. We carry this with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">serenity.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Important for us is to help all the people in the different regions of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">our planet to organize their own DNA structure in accordance with their own<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">principles. This makes it possible for all people of our planet to connect<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to all regions of our planet for the communication.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We have several instruments which have well proven in the history of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Internet. The most important instrument are the RFCs. With that we can best<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">explain the principles of decentralized DNS system. And this is also the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">place where we describe the global access to the ccTLD's. The rest is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">regional and local task.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The dynamics in the inventory of domains can be very large. But this task<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">is clearly and simply by decentralization of the administration.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">An important field of our activities in the IG forums is the propagation<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of a free access to the setting up, modification and dissolution of a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">domain. Technically this is not a major challenge, because the processing of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">an item can be organized by the applicants themselves. There is only one set<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in a simple database. The blockages are in the bureaucratic systems. But the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">dissolution of these blockades always remains the task of the people in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">their regions.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">With the help of free software and open source software we can do this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">very easily realized in a large cooperation. 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