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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 09 June 2015 08:51 PM,
      Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Parminder,
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        <div>The link does not seem to work in your paragraph below. Can
          you : </div>
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          <div><i><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">That is one
                definition of the term, looking at it from a domestic
                point of view. </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://international%20jurisdiction/"
                target="_blank" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Here</a><span
                style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> is another way to
                look at it, coming from a global point of view - and of
                course this current discussion comes from a global point
                of view. </span></i> <br>
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    Sorry, it is
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        <div>As for setting ICANN "under international law", unless I am
          mistaken (and I may very well overlook other ways), I see
          basically three ways:</div>
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    A good attempt, and we can work on it, but not sure 3 below can be
    done without writing the necessary international law for it, which
    is only possible through an inter governmental treaty (1 below),
    like in France or India or any other country, whatever be the
    constitution of a body, it has to be anchored in an existing or new
    law written by the parliament. And if, still pursing the national
    level analogy, a new kind of governance body has to be developed,
    with monopoly governance functions and powers, like ICANN is,
    whatever be its constitution, most likely a new national law will be
    required for it, through the only route that law can be developed. <br>
    <br>
    It is important to note here that I am making a distinction between
    the constitution of any body, its various processes, its
    accountability means and so on, and the law needed to anchor it or
    support it, or evne bring it into being. This distinction I see
    being lost in some of the discussions here. The former can be
    multistakeholder or whatever, but there are some given ways in which
    laws can be developed. Unless of course there is some proposal here
    to propose new ways of developing law (which is what I fight unclear
    or incongruent in Brazil's comments). I will like to know what is
    your and other people's position on this matter. <br>
    <br>
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            <li>the traditional one for the creation of international
              organizations, ie: an intergovernmental treaty <br>
            </li>
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    I cannot see how can a global governance body - with monopoly
    governance functions of the importance that ICANN deals with, can be
    formed without its anchoring in international law, which can only be
    written through an intergovernmental treaty. And again, my direct
    question, is there a proposal to take some new law making route here
    which is non intergovernmental. <br>
    <br>
    Even NTIA's condition (not that I consider my thinking bound by it)
    was that they will not accept NTIA role to be replaced by an
    intergov organisation solution..... I dont read it to means that
    whatever organsation replaced NTIA role may not be formulated by
    international law/ treaty which can only be arrived in an intergov
    way.  In fact, as we well know, unless we are keen to forget basic
    political sceince lessons, only law alone can reign the power of law
    makers - as so many laws are written with precise objective to
    constrain the powers of governments and their various bodies. In the
    same way, <br>
    <br>
    So, yes, I think there is no way other than to seek an inter-gov
    treaty - which in my view should<br>
    <br>
    (1) Sanctify the present way of constituting and working of ICANN
    and its associated bodies (with minimal accountability related
    improvements that get agreed to by everyone) . Such a treaty then
    limits what limit what (all) governments can and cannot do in the
    area of global Internet's basic techno-logical policies and
    management. <br>
    <br>
    (2) Put an oversight body over ICANN with minimal well defined
    functions, that is constituted in trans-national but non
    governmental fashion, but consists to representatives from groups
    that are outside the typical ICANN community and notionally can be
    considered as a loosely representing a broad spectrum of social
    sectors that use ICANN services (which of course everyone does). We
    can take reps from well defined global constituencies like media
    association, science associations, disability groups, women orgs,
    education professionals, health professionals, ethnic groups and so
    on. Almost all these sectors have global representative bodies which
    more or less are universally accepted. Yes, there certainly be some
    arbitrariness in this, but such an arrangement serves the basic
    requirement of (1) trans-national global representative which is not
    intergov system,  and (2) separation of power and 'external
    accountability' vis a vic ICANN community. The main function of the
    oversight body will be ensure compliance of ICANN decisions with
    international law and its own bylaws and set of guiding principles.
    <br>
    <br>
    (3) Some kind of digital bench of the International court of justice
    or some similar solution, to which the decisions of ICANN oversight
    body or of ICANN itself can be taken, with due process, and under
    given conditions. I dont agree to appeal process that are fashioned
    on arbitration because while they serve the purpose of private law -
    contractual isssues among various parties, all of which are
    relatively empowered, they ill serve the purpose of pulbic law and
    justice, which involves general public interest, those of the common
    person on the street who can never successfully use IRP like
    processes, these are simply not developed for such a purpose. <br>
    <br>
    This proposal has been made by me quite a number of times on these
    lists , and therefore there is nothing new in it . The comments of
    Roberto Bissio, Adviser to CCWG , also contain some elements that
    are comparable to the above proposal.<br>
    <blockquote
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            <li>providing ICANN in whatever jurisdiction it may be
              incorporated (US or other), with privileges and immunities
              that would make its decisions non susceptible of recourse
              in front of the local courts<br>
            </li>
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    I am unable to see how any government or rather state will give a
    blanket immunity to an organisation, unless in pursuance of an
    international agreement (which would also provide alternative
    accountability and means of recourse). In any case, an organisation
    like ICANN does need some kind of external check on its powers.
    However, if you have clear proposal about what and how exactly what
    you say can be done, and will work, please share, if possible with
    examples and/ or analogies. <br>
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            <li>invent a new type of international organization, founded
              by a diversity of stakeholders (and not only governments),
              with appropriate independence and guarantees <br>
            </li>
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    I have proposed one above (as also often earlier). What exactly is
    your proposal and how will it work. And do you envisae such an
    'invention' beign done and sustainef without supporting
    international law. I cant see how it is possible. But perhaps you
    can explain. <br>
    <br>
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        <div>Are you advocating in favor of option 1)?</div>
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    I have made my position clear above... It is 1 plus 3 in a way.<br>
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        <div>Would you be amenable to option 2), if there are sufficient
          accountability mechanisms (including the enhanced IRP proposed
          by the CCWG)? <br>
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    As mentioned above, I cant understand how 2 works. Please help by
    explaining. Further I have mentioned my preference for public
    interest/ law institutions like some kind of international court
    over private law/ interest ones, and also given my reasons.<br>
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        <div>Do you have suggestions regarding option 3)? We would all
          be happy to identify a new approach. <br>
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    Yes, I shard it. Look forward to your and other views.<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
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        <div>Best</div>
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        <div>Bertrand</div>
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                    <td colspan="3">"<em>Le plus beau métier des hommes,
                        c'est d'unir les hommes</em>", Antoine de Saint
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:48 PM,
          parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <div>On Tuesday 09 June 2015 07:39 PM, Matthias C.
                  Kettemann wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Dear all, <br>
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                    <div class="gmail_extra">we should really be careful
                      in using legal terminology. "International
                      jurisdiction" usually means that in light of an
                      international set of facts the courts of a certain
                      country will be most suited to hear the case (see
                      e.g. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ec.europa.eu/justice/glossary/international-jurisdiction_en.htm"
                        target="_blank">here</a>).</div>
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                <br>
              </span> That is one definition of the term, looking at it
              from a domestic point of view. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://International%20jurisdiction"
                target="_blank">Here</a> is another way to look at it,
              coming from a global point of view - and of course this
              current discussion comes from a global point of view. <br>
              <span class=""> <br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div class="gmail_extra"> Conflicts of jurisdiciton
                      (and conflicts of law) are a daily occurence in
                      online settings. International courts, however,
                      are a different matter entirely. They are few and
                      far between and, in their present design, are not
                      in a position to ensure accountability. For that
                      we need more permanent oversight structures. I'm
                      not convinced that only a national legal anchor
                      can do the trick. </div>
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                <br>
              </span> That is the point. So then what international
              option do we have? If we are to live a common digital
              future, with an adequately global Internet, we have to
              find the necessary legal and political ways to do it, even
              if they do not exist today. I am much more convinced than
              others here that there is enough existing that can be
              evolved in the right direction - but to do that the
              political will has to first be stated and worked with.<br>
              <br>
              If international law and jurisdiction can be begun to be
              evolved in such a complex and contested area like
              international crime, it should certainly be so much easier
              to do with regard to management of basic techno-logical
              infrastructure of the Internet, where there is, at least
              at present, so less to dispute, and the positive advantage
              so huge.<br>
              <br>
              Please note this sentence from the submission of Roberto
              Bissio, a top global civil society leader, made to the
              CCWG process - he is an official adviser to the process.
              (This submission was earlier forwarded by Carlos to these
              elists, but I am enclosing it again.)<br>
              <br>
              "The International Criminal Court was negotiated and
              ratified in as much time as the discussion of the
              governance of ICANN is already taking."<br>
              <br>
              Does this say something?<br>
              <br>
              And do we not know what kind of international innovations
              are daily invented, like in the area of IP enforcement,
              and trade dispute settlement, and now also 'investor
              protection' for global corporates from domestic policies/
              law and even courts, when it is in the interest of the
              most powerful countries. Why do we then shy away from
              institutional innovations when genuine public interest is
              involved. It is a case of greater internationalisation
              where it suits them, and full scepticism about
              international law and jurisdiction where is does not. That
              is not ok.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                  <br>
                  parminder <br>
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                      <div class="gmail_extra">International law,
                        however, does not yet provide for accountability
                        structures for the 'management' and
                        administration of the stability, security etc.
                        of the global Internet.<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra">Kind regards<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        Matthias<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at
                          3:49 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <span
                            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de"
                              target="_blank">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                            #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Parminder,<br>
                            <br>
                            can you specify what do you understand under
                            "international jurisdiction"? Do you want to
                            create an "International (Internet) Court"?
                            Do you want to have ICANN under the
                            International Court of Justice in The Hague?
                            International Courts are created by
                            intergovernmental treaties. Here is a list
                            of "International Courts":<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_court"
                              target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_court</a>.<br>
                            <br>
                            Wolfgang<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
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                              target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
                            im Auftrag von parminder<br>
                            Gesendet: Di <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="tel:09.06.2015%2015"
                              value="+49906201515" target="_blank">09.06.2015

                              15</a>:41<br>
                            An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
                              target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>;
                            Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law;
                            Mawaki Chango<br>
                            Betreff: Re: [governance] IANA transition -
                            BR Gov comments on the CCWG-Accountability
                            Draft Proposal<br>
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                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                On Tuesday 09 June 2015 06:26 PM,
                                Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of<br>
                                Law wrote:<br>
                                ><br>
                                > I think that bodies which do not
                                need to fear supervision by<br>
                                > legitimate courts end up like FIFA.
                                FIFA had a legal status in<br>
                                > Switzerland that basically
                                insulated it the way that the Brazilian<br>
                                > document seems to suggest would be
                                what they want for ICANN.  (It's<br>
                                > also the legal status ICANN has at
                                times suggested it would like.)<br>
                                ><br>
                                > The lesson of history seems
                                unusually clear here.<br>
                                <br>
                                Agree that ICANN cannot be left
                                jurisdictionally un-supervised - that<br>
                                may be even more dangerous than the
                                present situation. However, the<br>
                                right supervision or oversight is of
                                international jurisdiction and law,<br>
                                not that of the US . This is what Brazil
                                has to make upfront as the<br>
                                implication of what it is really
                                seeking, and its shyness and reticence<br>
                                to say so is what I noted as surprising
                                in an earlier email in this<br>
                                thread. Not putting out clearly what
                                exactly it wants would lead to<br>
                                misconceptions about its position, which
                                IMHO can be seen from how<br>
                                Michael reads it.  I am sure this is not
                                how Brazil meant it - to free<br>
                                ICANN from all kinds of jurisdictional
                                oversight whatsoever - but then<br>
                                Brazil needs to say clearly what is it
                                that it wants, and how can it can<br>
                                obtained. Brazil, please come out of
                                your NetMundial hangover and take<br>
                                political responsibility for what you
                                say and seek!<br>
                                <br>
                                parminder<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                ><br>
                                > On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Mawaki Chango
                                wrote:<br>
                                ><br>
                                >><br>
                                >> It's good to see a law scholar
                                involved in this discussion. I'll<br>
                                >> leave it to the Brazilian party
                                to<br>
                                >> ultimate tell whether your
                                reading is correct or not. In the
                                meantime<br>
                                >> I'd volunteer the following<br>
                                >> comments.<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> On Jun 8, 2015 10:46 PM,
                                "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of
                                Law"<br>
                                >> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:froomkin@law.miami.edu"
                                  target="_blank">froomkin@law.miami.edu</a>>

                                wrote:<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > Perhaps I'm misreading
                                something, but I read this document to
                                make<br>
                                >> the following assertions:<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > 1. All restrictions on
                                ICANN's location must be removed.<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >><br>
                                >> And the question reopened for
                                deliberation by all stakeholders,<br>
                                >> including governments among
                                others.<br>
                                >> Only the outcome of such
                                deliberation will be fully legitimate
                                within<br>
                                >> the framework of the post-2015<br>
                                >> ICANN.<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> > 2. ICANN does not have to
                                leave the US but must be located in a<br>
                                >> place where the governing law
                                has<br>
                                >> certain characteristics,
                                including not having the possibiliity
                                that<br>
                                >> courts overrule ICANN (or at<br>
                                >> least the IRP).<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > (And, as it happens, the
                                US is not such a place....)<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >><br>
                                >> Not only avoiding courts
                                overruling relevant outcomes of the
                                Internet<br>
                                >> global community processes,<br>
                                >> but also examining and
                                resolving the possible
                                interferences/conflicts<br>
                                >> that might arise for<br>
                                >> government representatives
                                being subject to a foreign country law<br>
                                >> simply in the process of
                                attending<br>
                                >> to their regular duties (if
                                they were to be fully engaged with
                                ICANN).<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> Quote:<br>
                                >> "From the Brazilian perspective
                                the existing structure clearly imposes
                                limits to the participation<br>
                                >><br>
                                > ??<br>
                                > ?of governmental representatives,
                                as it is unlikely that a representative
                                of a foreign government wi<br>
                                >> ll be authorized (by its own
                                government) to formally accept a
                                position in a body pertaining to a U.<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> S. corporation."<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> This may be what you're getting
                                at with your point 3 below, but I'm<br>
                                >> not sure whether the problem is<br>
                                >> only the fact that governments
                                have to deal with a corporate form/law<br>
                                >> or whether it is altogether<br>
                                >> the fact that it is a single
                                country law without any form of<br>
                                >> deliberate endorsement by the
                                other<br>
                                >> governments (who also have law
                                making power in their respective<br>
                                >> country just as the US
                                government).<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> Assuming your reading is
                                correct, and if necessary complemented
                                by my<br>
                                >> remarks above, I'd be<br>
                                >> interested in hearing from you
                                about any issues you may see with the<br>
                                >> BR gov comments.<br>
                                >> Thanks,<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> Mawaki<br>
                                >><br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > 3. ICANN doesn't have to
                                change its form, but it needs a form
                                where<br>
                                >> governments are comfortable.<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > (And, as it happens, the
                                corporate form is not such a form....)<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > What am I missing?<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > On Sat, 6 Jun 2015, Carlos
                                A. Afonso wrote:<br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> >> For the ones who are
                                following the IANA transition process:
                                attached<br>
                                >> >> please find the
                                comments posted by the government of
                                Brazil on<br>
                                >> June 03,<br>
                                >> >> 2015, in response to
                                the call for public comments on the<br>
                                >> >> CCWG-Accountability
                                Initial Draft Proposal.<br>
                                >> >><br>
                                >> >> I generally agree with
                                the comments.<br>
                                >> >><br>
                                >> >> fraternal regards<br>
                                >> >><br>
                                >> >> --c.a.<br>
                                >> >><br>
                                >> ><br>
                                >> > --<br>
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                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://law.tm" target="_blank">http://law.tm</a><br>
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                                Mitchell Rubenstein Distinguished
                                Professor of Law<br>
                                >> > Editor, Jotwell: The
                                Journal of Things We Like (Lots),  <a
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                                >> > U. Miami School of Law,
                                P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124
                                USA<br>
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                                              <p>Dr. Matthias C.
                                                Kettemann, LL.M.
                                                (Harvard)<br>
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                                              <p>Goethe-Universität
                                                Frankfurt am Main<br>
                                                Exzellenzcluster
                                                „Normative Ordnungen“<br>
                                                Max-Horkheimer-Straße 2<br>
                                                60629 Frankfurt am Main
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