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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 09 June 2015 06:26 PM,
Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:<br>
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I think that bodies which do not need to fear supervision by
legitimate courts end up like FIFA. FIFA had a legal status in
Switzerland that basically insulated it the way that the Brazilian
document seems to suggest would be what they want for ICANN.
(It's also the legal status ICANN has at times suggested it would
like.)
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The lesson of history seems unusually clear here.
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Agree that ICANN cannot be left jurisdictionally un-supervised -
that may be even more dangerous than the present situation. However,
the right supervision or oversight is of international jurisdiction
and law, not that of the US . This is what Brazil has to make
upfront as the implication of what it is really seeking, and its
shyness and reticence to say so is what I noted as surprising in an
earlier email in this thread. Not putting out clearly what exactly
it wants would lead to misconceptions about its position, which IMHO
can be seen from how Michael reads it. I am sure this is not how
Brazil meant it - to free ICANN from all kinds of jurisdictional
oversight whatsoever - but then Brazil needs to say clearly what is
it that it wants, and how can it can obtained. Brazil, please come
out of your NetMundial hangover and take political responsibility
for what you say and seek!<br>
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parminder <br>
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Mawaki Chango wrote:
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It's good to see a law scholar involved in this discussion. I'll
leave it to the Brazilian party to
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ultimate tell whether your reading is correct or not. In the
meantime I'd volunteer the following
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comments.
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On Jun 8, 2015 10:46 PM, "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of
Law" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:froomkin@law.miami.edu"><froomkin@law.miami.edu></a> wrote:
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> Perhaps I'm misreading something, but I read this document
to make the following assertions:
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> 1. All restrictions on ICANN's location must be removed.
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And the question reopened for deliberation by all stakeholders,
including governments among others.
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Only the outcome of such deliberation will be fully legitimate
within the framework of the post-2015
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ICANN.
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> 2. ICANN does not have to leave the US but must be located
in a place where the governing law has
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certain characteristics, including not having the possibiliity
that courts overrule ICANN (or at
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least the IRP).
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> (And, as it happens, the US is not such a place....)
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Not only avoiding courts overruling relevant outcomes of the
Internet global community processes,
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but also examining and resolving the possible
interferences/conflicts that might arise for
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government representatives being subject to a foreign country
law simply in the process of attending
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to their regular duties (if they were to be fully engaged with
ICANN).
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Quote:
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"From the Brazilian perspective the existing structure clearly imposes limits to the participation
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?of governmental representatives, as it is unlikely that a representative of a foreign government wi<br>
<blockquote type="cite">ll be authorized (by its own government) to formally accept a position in a body pertaining to a U.
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S. corporation."
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This may be what you're getting at with your point 3 below, but
I'm not sure whether the problem is
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only the fact that governments have to deal with a corporate
form/law or whether it is altogether
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the fact that it is a single country law without any form of
deliberate endorsement by the other
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governments (who also have law making power in their respective
country just as the US government).
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Assuming your reading is correct, and if necessary complemented
by my remarks above, I'd be
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interested in hearing from you about any issues you may see with
the BR gov comments.
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Thanks,
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Mawaki
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> 3. ICANN doesn't have to change its form, but it needs a
form where governments are comfortable.
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> (And, as it happens, the corporate form is not such a
form....)
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> What am I missing?
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> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
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>
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>> For the ones who are following the IANA transition
process: attached
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>> please find the comments posted by the government of
Brazil on June 03,
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>> 2015, in response to the call for public comments on
the
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>> CCWG-Accountability Initial Draft Proposal.
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>>
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>> I generally agree with the comments.
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>>
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>> fraternal regards
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>>
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>> --c.a.
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