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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 07 June 2015 02:28 PM, Mawaki
Chango wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Brother Carlos,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I wish we had this earlier, for it would've made the
job easier for some of us who could have just submitted "we
endorse the Brazilian government's comment" as our comment. </p>
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Mawaki/ Carlos<br>
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I am happy to assist you to seek support for this position in civil
society. Perhaps IGC can endorse it. Further, we can collect names
of those who separately would like to endorse it. <br>
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<p dir="ltr">I particularly appreciate the BR gov clear argument
about legal status and jurisdiction, including the stated
purposes of such argument. </p>
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The argument that US courts overruling ICANN decision (something
that is inescapable, and will certainly happen sooner or later) is
'the' key problem and issue in oversight transition and that such an
eventuality would make a mockery of ICANN as a global governance
body, has regularly been made on this list - along with examples.
But good to be waking up to it even if only when we are fully on the
brink - but still, better late than never.<br>
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This issue is indeed fully unsolvable in the current process and in
the current 'paradigm' - it would be good to also clearly see and
understand this further fact. And there from begin doing what needs
to be done. It is not useful to always wait for arriving on the
brink and then realising. Just wastes a lot of time, and time is
power in what is a fast concretizing global digital order.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<p dir="ltr">The way ICANN has been operating has always created a
sense of unease wrt governments' full participation, something
that has to do with a sense of slippery slope toward government
privatization, whether intended or an afterthought (I once
personally witnessed within ICANN a US allied government rep
from the Pacific cast a vote that was in contradiction with the
law in her country.) If multi-stakeholder were to mean
something, the meaning of the term "private" in this context
should be clearly differentiated from that of saying, for
instance, "private (profit driven) corporation"* and should
rather clearly, fully and once for all in practice mean
"public-benefit (private) corporation." </p>
<p dir="ltr">Furthermore, maybe "in their respective roles" should
just mean that every group come as who they are at first (in
continuation/line with their defining functions) and then enter
a dialog that is open and plural across stakeholder groups,
where all ideas will be argued and heard for their merits
(intellectual, operational, yes political, etc. etc.) This may
still happen without governments needing to behave as private
companies or non-governmental actors claiming to fulfill
governments' functions.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Ok let me just stop here and say I, for whatever this
may be worth, approve of BR gov message. (Never mind my ill
advised, additional drift on multistakeholderism.) A systematic
assessment of the pluses and minuses of each potential candidate
jurisdictions for ICANN mission and global ownership is a must
to fully complete the goals of its transition.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Fraternal regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">(*) Note, 1) such can evidently be for profit but not
necessarily: one may be a nonprofit private entity and still be
driven by for profit interests, as their processes may be
dominated by for profit participants. 2) I do understand how the
term "private" is often used by US based stakeholders in this
context, as to mean NONgovernmental. While there is that
constant risk of confusion with the other meaning of "private"
(one may say 'private' is tainted by the for profit corporate
use), there is on the other hand the fact that the term
"nongovernmental" is already... tainted by the bunch of civil
society ;) So tainted for tainted, the US led in that by USG has
favored the use of the term "private." Doesn't this ring a bell?
'International,' 'multilateral' and (even) 'democratic' tainted
by 'intergovernmental' practices? So let's stay away from those
and find something as "private" as meant above but at the same
time plural and that gave 'multistakeholderism'? Again, please
get back to the central message above and never mind my extra
drift. Just store that in the Sunday morning hermeneutics
drawer.</p>
<p dir="ltr">/Brought to you by Mawaki's droid agent</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 6, 2015 10:49 PM, "Carlos A.
Afonso" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a>> wrote:<br
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">For the ones
who are following the IANA transition process: attached<br>
please find the comments posted by the government of Brazil on
June 03,<br>
2015, in response to the call for public comments on the<br>
CCWG-Accountability Initial Draft Proposal.<br>
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I generally agree with the comments.<br>
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fraternal regards<br>
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--c.a.<br>
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