<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 29 May 2015, at 3:25 pm, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" class="">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">A 'cheap' explanation to David in this is that, both are responsible for the management of activities and funds sourced from the international community as the stakeholders..<br class=""></p></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Which is very loose connection. A great deal of INGOs fit that basic description. The IOC, for example, is much closer in function to FIFA. ICANN is fundamentally in the business of regulation and ‘taxes' those it regulates. Thats very different to being a body whose primary function is organising international events (yes, I’m aware that FIFA does other things - but the World Cup is not only the main thing people care about, but the reason for most of its corruption allegations). </div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">
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Yassin</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 29 May 2015 09:06, "David Cake" <<a href="mailto:dave@difference.com.au" class="">dave@difference.com.au</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Obviously those who are more familiar with ICANN and FIFA would probably point out that the parallels are really not very strong. They are both international organisations that are non-government, but otherwise they are very different. FIFA is an association of national associations, ICANN is not. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But it is a timely reminder for the need for strong accountability mechanisms. Which is probably why many of the ICANN engaged people on this list have been relatively quiet over the last year, as many of them have been involved either with the IANA transition (which has been very much concerned with structural accountability issues - how ICANN can be made responsible to those who, directly or indirectly, use IANA) or the accompanying accountability process (which is focussed on broader accountability issues with ICANN). </div><div class="">(I myself have not been strongly involved with those processes, but I know Avri, Robin, Milton, and others have been spending many hours every week, which is probably why I sometimes have time to respond to cheap shots like this one). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But if you’d like a few lessons that might be drawn:</div><div class="">direct voting on a national representative basis is absolutely no defence against corruption. </div><div class="">From which we might presume that accountability and transparency are more important factors in preventing corruption. Perhaps JNC might consider shifting its focus from games about the word ‘democracy’ and focus on the practical push for the accountability and transparency mechanisms that are a vital part of any democratic process. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre-wrap" class=""> </span>David</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 29 May 2015, at 2:13 pm, Michael Gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div lang="EN-CA" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" class=""><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal">As I watch along with I’m sure many others, the events consuming FIFA I am of course, reminded of the often made parallels between FIFA and ICANN, particularly in reference to proposed models for governance of global non-governmental organizations as for example in the area of accountability.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div class="MsoNormal">So, I’m wondering from among with those with far more knowledge concerning ICANN than myself, what lessons if any might one draw from what is being exposed concerning FIFA and how might that figure into what if anything will be an outcome of the current IANA transition discussions?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div class="MsoNormal">M <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div>____________________________________________________________<br class="">You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br class=""> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank" class="">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br class="">To be removed from the list, visit:<br class=""> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank" class="">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br class=""><br class="">For all other list information and functions, see:<br class=""> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br class="">To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br class=""> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br class=""><br class="">Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank" class="">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><br class="">____________________________________________________________<br class="">
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