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<font face="Verdana">Nick<br>
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Thanks for your support to a possible civil society transparency
project. As for your desire that it has overall good interests in
mind you'd have noted that I have made the proposal to Civil
Society Coordination Group ( CSCG) to run it, but if you have a
better administrative structure in mind lets discuss it. I am
happy to help raise funds because civil society transparency is
relatively easier to raise funds for than many other areas.<br>
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As for your arguments why you should not be gotten rid of, you are
making offerings to a strawman, a rather unfruitful exercise
normally. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 24 May 2015 07:11 PM, Nick
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Dear Carlos,
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<div>If the objective is to get rid of me, then perhaps it is
useful to know:</div>
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<div>* I do not currently receive *any* private-sector funding for
IDEA's activities - nor have I in 2015.</div>
<div>* IDEA's mission is not to represent the private sector, as
even the most basic reading of the 'about' page clearly states.</div>
<div>* IDEA's <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internet-ecosystem.org/advisory-council/">Advisory
Council</a> has a majority of people who are not even *from*
the private sector.</div>
<div>* Any number of NGOs on this list receive heads-up messages
about events that only someone who lives in works in
international Geneva would ever know about - and few even then -
not because they pay for it but because I believe they should
know about it to more effectively represent the civil society
interest.</div>
<div>* Last, but not least, irrespective of the above, none of us
are defined by our jobs. We all are people first and we should
IMO always approach life first as people with an obligation to
our fellow man and woman and the common weal, and everything
else second. If someone here who is actually getting paid by the
private sector is intervening here constructively in their off
time as a private person they ought to be welcomed and
encouraged. IMO. Frankly this list could use a whole lot more
welcoming and encouraging than it presently has. Again IMO.</div>
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<div>So if the objective is to get rid of me, then you're getting
rid of someone simply because one vocal member of the list
doesn't like my agreeing with what someone else on the list said
and not in any way.</div>
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<div>Perhaps we might all now move on to actual substance? Even if
it is setting up a transparency project, separate from a
connection with me personally. Such a project isn't a bad idea,
as long as it is administered in the interests of transparency
overall and not as a vehicle for silencing people not for who
they are or what they have to say but because their views are
inconvenient at one time or another.<br>
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Regards, Nick</div>
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<div>On 24 May 2015, at 14:59, Carlos A. Afonso <<a
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<div>Parm, all this fuzz just to expel Nick??</div>
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<div>--c.a.<br>
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On 24/05/2015, at 09:31, parminder <<a
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<font face="Verdana">Ian, and reps of civil society
networks on the Civil Society Coordination Group
(CSCG) ,<br>
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I propose that CSCG sets up a civil society
transparency project, somewhat on the lines of the EU
Transparency Register, pl see <a
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href="http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/homePage.do">http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/homePage.do</a>
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It should in fact go beyond the EU initiative which is
a general one for all lobbying groups, whereas we here
are concerned with civil society which should set the
highest example of transparency and accountability.
The 'register' can have self filled information on
objectives of an organisation, principles followed by
it, if any, its funding, partners, and so on.... <br>
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This is at present just my proposal, but I hope one or
more civil society networks in the IG space can own it
and push it... CSCG would be well placed to run this
project as a neutral space so that there is no
accusation of bias that any such initiative is being
employed for partisan purposes. In any case, a simple
initiative for openness, transparency and
accountability can hardly be partisan.<br>
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The register can have optional higher level features
whereby a group/ org can declare its means of public
accountability, whether and how its internal
governance is done, how matters can be taken by with
their oversight bodies, like board etc, and whether
they have any means whereby they respond to public
question on their work, etc.<br>
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For such genuine cases where such transparency can
harm an organisations work, or security, such
organisations, and only such organisations, can be
exempted employing a clear process and set of
criteria.<br>
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Remember, both the UN report on improvements to the
IGF and the NetMundial Statement highlight the issue
of transparency. I also recently read in these lists
how we should make bridges with the OpenGov movement
which is almost wholly about this one thing. Time we
begin practising what we preach. <br>
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I look forward to hear responses to this proposal..<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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