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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 18 May 2015 09:10 AM, Ang
Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
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<div>Parminder,</div>
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<div>There is no agreement that public interest is a
problematic concept.</div>
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I am sure everyone can read for themselves the emails that you wrote
since yesterday and in the earlier discussion we had on these lists
2nd and 3rd April on exactly this point. It is difficult for me to
sustain a discussion if you first strongly push an argument that
then say that is not the argument. <br>
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<div>It’s your interpretation of the term not being featured
in at APrIGF that is curious.</div>
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My interpretation!! I objected to the manner the term was used in
the AprIGF call forwarded by Anja. Anja never responded, neither did
other people associated with APrIGF many of them being on this list.
You responded by saying that 'public interest is not a clear term'
but it is easy to understand and arrive at what is multistakeholder
perspective. And now you are calling it my interpretation. I am
really confounded.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div>Regards, </div>
<div>Peng Hwa</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Parminder Singh
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 18 May
2015 11:07 am<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a
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Ang Peng Hwa <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[governance] Call for Participation: Global Congress on
Intellectual Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 17 May 2015 08:43 PM,
Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:medium;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">>So, in fact,
indeed the dominant groups involved with the IGF
process do seem to think that 'public interest' is a
problematic concept, and the idea of
'multistakeholder perspective' or interest is a
positive political evolution over it!</span></div>
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<div>What a curious (mis)reading.</div>
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Rather more curious, Dear Peng Hwa, is that after you call
my reading curious you repeat exactly what I have read.<br>
<br>
Direct quotes from your below email: "public interest is a
problematic concept" AND "Everyone knows what
multistakeholder is".<br>
<br>
Whereby, I understand you justify why the APrIGF call uses
'multistakeholder perspective' and did not agree to use
'public interest'. I dont see what or where I mis-read..<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<blockquote cite="mid:D17ECFBB.401F8%25tphang@ntu.edu.sg"
type="cite">
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<div>First of all, I do not see how the APrIGF can be
representative of “dominant groups”. We are, at
best/worst an n of 1. Nah, I would not want to be one
of the MASTERS of the UNIVERSE.</div>
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<div>Second, it is precisely because public interest is
a problematic concept that the APrIGF is not using
that notion. We have no time to discuss it before we
roll out the meeting. Everyone knows what
multistakeholder is. That’s easy. But public
interest—we could discuss it as a panel if you wish.</div>
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<div>It would of course have to be next year.</div>
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<div>But if I say that it is next year, it is because of
the deadline. Not because, once again, that public
interest is not a problematic conception.</div>
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<div>Regards, </div>
<div>Peng Hwa</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Parminder
Singh <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday,
17 May 2015 9:46 pm<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[governance] Call for Participation: Global Congress
on Intellectual Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Interesting theme of this
series of global congresses: 'Intellectual Property
and the Public Interest' !<br>
<br>
Wonder if you ever thought of calling it "IP and the
multistakeholder Interest' ?<br>
<br>
You all have have seen the discussion I recently had
with Peng Hwa, head of the AP regional IGF process
for many years, who strongly argued that public
interest perspective is a very unclear concept but
multistakeholder perspective or interest is much
easier to establish.<br>
<br>
The discussion started when I objected to the call
for workshops for the AP regional IGF which was
categorical that every workshop proposal must
incorporate a 'multistakeholder perspective'. I
suggested that it be replaced by 'public interest'.
This suggestion was not accepted. So, in fact,
indeed the dominant groups involved with the IGF
process do seem to think that 'public interest' is a
problematic concept, and the idea of
'multistakeholder perspective' or interest is a
positive political evolution over it!<br>
<br>
Friends, these are serious post-democratic
developments to which, it is my duty of observe,
most of the civil society involved in IG area are
either a silent or active accomplices.
<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, of course, I wait for arguments that
Internet ( unlike intellectual property!?) is a
bottom up , private, etc etc, thing, and therefore
its governance has to be different.... Well, lets
admit it, such an arugment really does not hold
unless we are intent to be misled by it - the social
artefact of the Internet is no more bottom up,
private, etc that the social relationships of trade
and property, whose governance continue to be done
in democratic fashions... Time we claimed democratic
governance for the Internet as well, and rubbish the
post-democratic multistakeholderist ideas that are
so solidly taking root in this space, for which the
IG civil society will have to answer to history.
<br>
<br>
Would anyone agree that the proposed global congress
on IP and public interest to be held in a
'multistakeholder' way, with equal space for the big
IP holders, as one always insists for an IG
meeting... What really is the difference, other than
that the discourse in the IG space has been captured
by powerful forces before public interest actors
could assert themselves. Civil society in this area
must help in re-democraticing this area, and
reclaiming 'public interest'.<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, my best wishes to the the organisers of
this very importanr congress.<br>
<br>
In fact some of us have been talking about holding a
global congress on 'Internet governance and public
interest'. Happy to talk to those who may be
interested.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
On Friday 15 May 2015 03:21 PM, Geetha Hariharan
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">PFA the call for
participation for the Global Congress on
Intellectual<br>
Property and Public Interest.<br>
<br>
Apologies for cross-posting. Please do circulate
to anyone you think<br>
might be interested.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Geetha.<br>
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From: Swaraj Barooah<br>
Date: Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:05 PM<br>
Subject: Call for Participation: Global Congress
on Intellectual<br>
Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
We are pleased to announce the call for
participation for the fourth<br>
edition of the Global Congress on Intellectual
Property and the Public<br>
Interest (“Global Congress”). The theme for this
year’s Congress will be<br>
“Three Decades of Openness; Two Decades of TRIPS.”
We are now inviting<br>
applications to participate in the Congress,
including session<br>
participation and presentations. We are also
welcoming proposals for<br>
panels and workshops.<br>
<br>
The application form is available now at<br>
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Please note that this<br>
form is for application purposes, and does not
amount to confirmation of<br>
participation. The registrations for the plenary
sessions, which are<br>
open to the public, will open closer to the date
of the Global Congress.<br>
<br>
Deadlines<br>
<br>
August 1st: Priority Deadline for Applications-
Applicants will be<br>
considered on a rolling basis, with applications
made by August 1st<br>
being given first consideration. Applications
after August 1st to<br>
receive travel assistance will be considered only
under exceptional<br>
circumstances (these details will be collected in
a subsequent form).<br>
<br>
November 1st: All applications for session
participation and paper<br>
submissions will close on November 1st.<br>
<br>
Application Information<br>
<br>
For applications to participate/host: Applications
to present or host<br>
workshops shall be considered based on the
proposals to be submitted in<br>
the form.<br>
<br>
For applications to attend sessions:Applications
to attend sessions as<br>
discussants will be considered based on the
statement of purpose and/or<br>
any other relevant information provided by the
applicant.<br>
<br>
Limited travel grants to cover accommodation
and/or travel to the<br>
Congress will be available, with priority to those
from developing<br>
countries.<br>
<br>
Background, Theme and Expected Outcomes<br>
<br>
The Global Congress on Intellectual Property and
the Public Interest is<br>
the most significant event on the calendar for
scholars and policy<br>
advocates working on intellectual property from a
public interest<br>
perspective. By sharing their research and
strategies, the network of<br>
experts and activists supported by the Global
Congress are empowered to<br>
put forward a positive agenda for policy reform.
The Global Congress<br>
began in Washington D.C. in 2011, moved to Rio de
Janeiro in 2012, and<br>
was held in Cape Town in 2013. The fourth Global
Congress will now be<br>
held in New Delhi, in December 2015. The event
would be the largest<br>
convening of public interest-oriented intellectual
property<br>
practitioners ever held in Asia, and would help
link in the world's most<br>
populous region to these global debates around how
intellectual property<br>
policy can best serve the public interest.<br>
<br>
The fourth edition of the Global Congress, which
brings research, civil<br>
society, industry and regulatory and policy-making
communities together<br>
for active, intense engagement on key
public-interest intellectual<br>
property issues. Opportunities for these groups to
interact are rare but<br>
valuable; and have been proven to lead to
successful policy outcomes.<br>
The 4thedition of the Congress, slated to be held
in December, 2015 in<br>
New Delhi seeks to be one such opportunity.<br>
<br>
The theme for the 2015 Congress is Three Decades
of Openness; Two<br>
Decades of TRIPS-coming at a pivotal time for
reflection, revision, and<br>
further strategizing. Specifically, the 2015
Congress seeks to produce<br>
three outcomes- first, the mobilization of
existing scholarly research<br>
directly into the hands of civil society
advocates, business leaders and<br>
policy makers, leading to evidence-based policies
and practices;<br>
second,the collaborative identification of urgent,
global and local<br>
research priorities and generation of a joint
research/advocacy agenda;<br>
and third, the solidification of an
inter-disciplinary, cross-sector and<br>
global networked community of experts focused on
public interest aspects<br>
of IP policy and practice.<br>
<br>
Participation Opportunities<br>
<br>
Discussions at the Global Congress will be carried
out in the form of<br>
plenary sessions, thematic tracks, cross-track
sessions, and the room of<br>
scholars. Participation is invited for the
thematic track sessions,<br>
cross-track sessions and the room of scholars.<br>
<br>
The thematic tracks at the Global Congress are: 1)
Openness, 2) Access<br>
to Medicines, 3) User Rights, 4) IP and
Development.<br>
<br>
Cross-track sessions will feature research that
cuts across tracks in<br>
order to facilitate engagement between tracks on
themes of mutual<br>
interest.<br>
<br>
The Room of Scholars will feature presentations of
research outputs such<br>
as draft works or white papers that may not fit
directly within the<br>
thematic tracks but fall within the overall theme
of the Global Congress<br>
.<br>
<br>
Participation could be in the form of presenting /
discussing conference<br>
papers or policy briefs, or by conducting
workshops where they may share<br>
their own work and solicit feedback from peers,
during the<br>
aforementioned sessions.<br>
<br>
The application form for participation is
available now<br>
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Please forward this<br>
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Organisation<br>
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The Centre for Internet and Society <a
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href="http://cis-india.org/">
<http://cis-india.org/></a>serves as the<br>
convenor of the fourth Global Congress on
Intellectual Property and<br>
Public Interest, carried out in cooperation
withNational Law University,<br>
Delhi <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<http://www.nludelhi.ac.in/></a>.<br>
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The implementing partners arethe <a
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Assembly <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<http://americanassembly.org/></a>at
Columbia University in New<br>
York,Open A.I.R <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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theProgram on<br>
Information Justice and Intellectual Property <a
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href="http://www.pijip.org/">
<http://www.pijip.org/></a>at<br>
American University Washington College of Law in
Washington DC.<br>
<br>
<br>
On behalf of the organizing committee,<br>
<br>
Swaraj Barooah<br>
<br>
Swaraj Paul Barooah<br>
Project Manager, "Global Congress"<br>
(Global Congress on IP and the Public Interest,
2015)<br>
<br>
Editor-in-Chief, SpicyIP.com <a
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Founder, Know-GAP<br>
Twitter: @swarajpb<br>
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