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<div>Parminder,</div>
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<div>I did not just rely on Wikipedia. (That would be another n of 1.)</div>
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<div>My point was to reply to the question: <span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Does "multistakeholder" now have a stable definition?</span></div>
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<div>>The first entry is a Wiki where Norbert Bellow is quoted and where he distinguishes between types even.</div>
<div>>The second entry is a glossary entry from APC. </div>
<div>>The third entry is an ICANNWiki entry.</div>
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<div>There is another common factor in the APC and the ICANNWiki entries: there is no glossary entry for public interest in either of them.</div>
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<div>I leave you to interpret what that means. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Parminder Singh <<a href="mailto:parminder@ITforChange.net">parminder@ITforChange.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 18 May 2015 11:28 am<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Ang Peng Hwa <<a href="mailto:tphang@ntu.edu.sg">tphang@ntu.edu.sg</a>>, Williams Deirde <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>>, Internet Governance <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [governance] Call for Participation: Global Congress on Intellectual Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">Peng Hwa<br>
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Since you seem to rely on wikipedia, before declaring that although 'everyone knows what knows what multi stakeholder is' 'public interest is a problematic concept' (both direct quotes from your email) did you look up 'public interest' in wikipedia? Well, here
it is <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_interest">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_interest</a><br>
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A comparative assessment of the two entries in wikipedia - respectively on MSism (multistakeholderism) and public interest - would make clear which one is clearer and less contested term.
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Which in turn clearly proves that an assertion in favour of 'clarity' of the MS term with respect to the 'public interest' term is not based on any kind of facts or on existing body of civilisational knoweldge . It is merely ideological, which was my prior
point. And the fact that a regional IGF process takes such a bias as a given - and does not correct itself even when the 'error' is pointed out - makes a important political point, which is the political point that I have been trying to make..<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 18 May 2015 06:45 AM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:<br>
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<div>Google multistakeholder.<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=multistakeholder&oq=multistakeholder&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3j69i65l2.2580j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8">https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=multistakeholder&oq=multistakeholder&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3j69i65l2.2580j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8</a></div>
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<div>The first entry is a Wiki where Norbert Bellow is quoted and where he distinguishes between types even.</div>
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<div>The second entry is a glossary entry from APC. </div>
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<div>The third entry is an ICANNWiki entry.</div>
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<div>Like many words, there is a “core” meaning and moving beyond that, more than 50 shades of greying that keeps academics employed.</div>
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<div>Regards, </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 18 May 2015 2:04 am<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [governance] Call for Participation: Global Congress on Intellectual Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 18px;">"Everyone knows what multistakeholder is. That’s easy."</span><br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Respectfully, (I'm making a comment/asking for clarification, not trying to pick a quarrel), I have the impression that the problem is that everyone
<i>doesn't</i> know, or rather that everyone doesn't agree. "Multistakeholder" seems to me to have become a "Humpty Dumpty" word -</font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 17.5499992370605px;">'When </span><strong style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;line-height:17.5499992370605px">I</strong><span style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 17.5499992370605px;"> use
a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 17.5499992370605px;">(from Alice Through the Looking Glass/Lewis Carroll /</span><font color="#000000" face="verdana,sans-serif"><span style="line-height:17.5499992370605px"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sabian.org/looking_glass6.php">http://sabian.org/looking_glass6.php</a>)</span></font></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I've begun to record, for my own benefit, when how and where the term is used, and to notice those contexts in which it is not used.</font></span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Does "multistakeholder" now have a stable definition? Does "multistakeholderism"?</font></span></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Best wishes</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Deirdre</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 17 May 2015 at 11:13, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) <span dir="ltr">
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg" target="_blank">TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">>So, in fact, indeed the dominant groups involved with the IGF process do seem to think that 'public interest' is a problematic concept, and the idea of 'multistakeholder
perspective' or interest is a positive political evolution over it!</span></div>
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<div>What a curious (mis)reading.</div>
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<div>First of all, I do not see how the APrIGF can be representative of “dominant groups”. We are, at best/worst an n of 1. Nah, I would not want to be one of the MASTERS of the UNIVERSE.</div>
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<div>Second, it is precisely because public interest is a problematic concept that the APrIGF is not using that notion. We have no time to discuss it before we roll out the meeting. Everyone knows what multistakeholder is. That’s easy. But public interest—we
could discuss it as a panel if you wish.</div>
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<div>It would of course have to be next year.</div>
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<div>But if I say that it is next year, it is because of the deadline. Not because, once again, that public interest is not a problematic conception.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday, 17 May 2015 9:46 pm<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Interesting theme of this series of global congresses: 'Intellectual Property and the Public Interest' !<br>
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Wonder if you ever thought of calling it "IP and the multistakeholder Interest' ?<br>
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You all have have seen the discussion I recently had with Peng Hwa, head of the AP regional IGF process for many years, who strongly argued that public interest perspective is a very unclear concept but multistakeholder perspective or interest is much easier
to establish.<br>
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The discussion started when I objected to the call for workshops for the AP regional IGF which was categorical that every workshop proposal must incorporate a 'multistakeholder perspective'. I suggested that it be replaced by 'public interest'. This suggestion
was not accepted. So, in fact, indeed the dominant groups involved with the IGF process do seem to think that 'public interest' is a problematic concept, and the idea of 'multistakeholder perspective' or interest is a positive political evolution over it!<br>
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Friends, these are serious post-democratic developments to which, it is my duty of observe, most of the civil society involved in IG area are either a silent or active accomplices.
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Meanwhile, of course, I wait for arguments that Internet ( unlike intellectual property!?) is a bottom up , private, etc etc, thing, and therefore its governance has to be different.... Well, lets admit it, such an arugment really does not hold unless we are
intent to be misled by it - the social artefact of the Internet is no more bottom up, private, etc that the social relationships of trade and property, whose governance continue to be done in democratic fashions... Time we claimed democratic governance for
the Internet as well, and rubbish the post-democratic multistakeholderist ideas that are so solidly taking root in this space, for which the IG civil society will have to answer to history.
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Would anyone agree that the proposed global congress on IP and public interest to be held in a 'multistakeholder' way, with equal space for the big IP holders, as one always insists for an IG meeting... What really is the difference, other than that the discourse
in the IG space has been captured by powerful forces before public interest actors could assert themselves. Civil society in this area must help in re-democraticing this area, and reclaiming 'public interest'.<br>
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Meanwhile, my best wishes to the the organisers of this very importanr congress.<br>
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In fact some of us have been talking about holding a global congress on 'Internet governance and public interest'. Happy to talk to those who may be interested.<br>
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parminder <br>
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On Friday 15 May 2015 03:21 PM, Geetha Hariharan wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">PFA the call for participation for the Global Congress on Intellectual<br>
Property and Public Interest.<br>
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Apologies for cross-posting. Please do circulate to anyone you think<br>
might be interested.<br>
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Best,<br>
Geetha.<br>
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Date: Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:05 PM<br>
Subject: Call for Participation: Global Congress on Intellectual<br>
Property and the Public Interest, 2015<br>
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Dear all,<br>
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We are pleased to announce the call for participation for the fourth<br>
edition of the Global Congress on Intellectual Property and the Public<br>
Interest (“Global Congress”). The theme for this year’s Congress will be<br>
“Three Decades of Openness; Two Decades of TRIPS.” We are now inviting<br>
applications to participate in the Congress, including session<br>
participation and presentations. We are also welcoming proposals for<br>
panels and workshops.<br>
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The application form is available now at<br>
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circumstances (these details will be collected in a subsequent form).<br>
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November 1st: All applications for session participation and paper<br>
submissions will close on November 1st.<br>
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For applications to participate/host: Applications to present or host<br>
workshops shall be considered based on the proposals to be submitted in<br>
the form.<br>
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any other relevant information provided by the applicant.<br>
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Limited travel grants to cover accommodation and/or travel to the<br>
Congress will be available, with priority to those from developing<br>
countries.<br>
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Background, Theme and Expected Outcomes<br>
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The Global Congress on Intellectual Property and the Public Interest is<br>
the most significant event on the calendar for scholars and policy<br>
advocates working on intellectual property from a public interest<br>
perspective. By sharing their research and strategies, the network of<br>
experts and activists supported by the Global Congress are empowered to<br>
put forward a positive agenda for policy reform. The Global Congress<br>
began in Washington D.C. in 2011, moved to Rio de Janeiro in 2012, and<br>
was held in Cape Town in 2013. The fourth Global Congress will now be<br>
held in New Delhi, in December 2015. The event would be the largest<br>
convening of public interest-oriented intellectual property<br>
practitioners ever held in Asia, and would help link in the world's most<br>
populous region to these global debates around how intellectual property<br>
policy can best serve the public interest.<br>
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The fourth edition of the Global Congress, which brings research, civil<br>
society, industry and regulatory and policy-making communities together<br>
for active, intense engagement on key public-interest intellectual<br>
property issues. Opportunities for these groups to interact are rare but<br>
valuable; and have been proven to lead to successful policy outcomes.<br>
The 4thedition of the Congress, slated to be held in December, 2015 in<br>
New Delhi seeks to be one such opportunity.<br>
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The theme for the 2015 Congress is Three Decades of Openness; Two<br>
Decades of TRIPS-coming at a pivotal time for reflection, revision, and<br>
further strategizing. Specifically, the 2015 Congress seeks to produce<br>
three outcomes- first, the mobilization of existing scholarly research<br>
directly into the hands of civil society advocates, business leaders and<br>
policy makers, leading to evidence-based policies and practices;<br>
second,the collaborative identification of urgent, global and local<br>
research priorities and generation of a joint research/advocacy agenda;<br>
and third, the solidification of an inter-disciplinary, cross-sector and<br>
global networked community of experts focused on public interest aspects<br>
of IP policy and practice.<br>
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Participation Opportunities<br>
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Discussions at the Global Congress will be carried out in the form of<br>
plenary sessions, thematic tracks, cross-track sessions, and the room of<br>
scholars. Participation is invited for the thematic track sessions,<br>
cross-track sessions and the room of scholars.<br>
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The thematic tracks at the Global Congress are: 1) Openness, 2) Access<br>
to Medicines, 3) User Rights, 4) IP and Development.<br>
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Cross-track sessions will feature research that cuts across tracks in<br>
order to facilitate engagement between tracks on themes of mutual<br>
interest.<br>
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The Room of Scholars will feature presentations of research outputs such<br>
as draft works or white papers that may not fit directly within the<br>
thematic tracks but fall within the overall theme of the Global Congress<br>
.<br>
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Participation could be in the form of presenting / discussing conference<br>
papers or policy briefs, or by conducting workshops where they may share<br>
their own work and solicit feedback from peers, during the<br>
aforementioned sessions.<br>
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The application form for participation is available now<br>
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Organisation<br>
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The Centre for Internet and Society <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cis-india.org/" target="_blank">
<http://cis-india.org/></a>serves as the<br>
convenor of the fourth Global Congress on Intellectual Property and<br>
Public Interest, carried out in cooperation withNational Law University,<br>
Delhi <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nludelhi.ac.in/" target="_blank">
<http://www.nludelhi.ac.in/></a>.<br>
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<http://www.openair.org.za/></a>American<br>
Assembly <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://americanassembly.org/" target="_blank">
<http://americanassembly.org/></a>at Columbia University in New<br>
York,Open A.I.R <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.openair.org.za/" target="_blank">
<http://www.openair.org.za/></a>., and theProgram on<br>
Information Justice and Intellectual Property <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.pijip.org/" target="_blank">
<http://www.pijip.org/></a>at<br>
American University Washington College of Law in Washington DC.<br>
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On behalf of the organizing committee,<br>
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Swaraj Barooah<br>
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Swaraj Paul Barooah<br>
Project Manager, "Global Congress"<br>
(Global Congress on IP and the Public Interest, 2015)<br>
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Editor-in-Chief, SpicyIP.com <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://SpicyIP.com" target="_blank">
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