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Hi,<br>
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I think they intend it to be a bit more thant just a chair's
statement. I expect that at least some hope that it rises to the
level of the NetMundial outcome.<br>
<br>
In comparison with the NMI, for all its awkward first steps and its
suspect origins, it always intended to be a full instantiation of
multistakeholder participatory democratic processes. A lot of us
thought these first steps faltered, but they keep on trying. In the
GCCS and its GFCE (Global Forum on Cyber Experise - oh my), I think
the touch of Civil Society participation was a late afterthought and
pales by comparison even with NMI.<br>
<br>
That being said, perhaps this late relaization will be followed by a
genuine atempt to reset the course. I have not seen much evidence
yet, but as a beleiver in evolutionary processes, as always I I live
in the hope of organizations ability to evolve toward every greater
examples of multistakeholder models of participatory democracy. I
hear they spoke of multistakeholderism, maybe they will decide to do
something about becoming more consistent with its participatory
democratic methods.<br>
<br>
And assuming we believe this effort is real and will endure, I
assume some of do since they spoke at the event, perhaps we need to
push on the GCCS/GFCE to amend their ways..<br>
<br>
avri<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18-Apr-15 11:50, David Sullivan
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I did not attend the GCCS, but my impression from
other international conferences is that a Chairman's Statement,
no matter how much consultation took place with stakeholders
before or during the conference, is ultimately a statement by
the Chair (in this case the Govt of the Netherlands) and no one
else. It can attempt to convey consensus views, but no one else
is signing up to the statement or making any commitments around
it.
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<div>So this statement has very different status than the
NetMundial Outcome document, which was developed through a
multi-stakeholder process, or for example the Tallinn Agenda
on freedom online, which was endorsed by the multilateral
govts in the Freedom Online Coalition.
<div><br>
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<div>Please correct me if I am wrong! <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 3:06 PM,
Michael Gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks
for raising this issue Deidre but I’d like to
broaden the discussion a bit and ask what is the
actual or presumed “status” of the meeting and of
its outcomes. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
fact that it was convened by the Dutch government,
that it was the fourth in a series, that many
governments attended and that the meeting issued a
final statement which is widely noted (and seems to
be issued with the expectation that it will have
some status more significant than an ordinary trade
or sectoral meeting) suggests that the expectation
is that the meeting has some sort of quasi-official
status. That it is in fact, meant to be one those
increasing number of unofficial/official meetings of
the form of the NetMundial; i.e. not quite on the
level of the clearly “official” WSIS+10 but having a
normative and quasi-official status rather more than
say TED talks or an ordinary Internet technical
convening.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And
clearly the activities of the designated CS
interlocutor(s) has been such as to give the
appearance of something with some broader on-going
significance as for example, by circulating the
draft Outcome Document for comment and input.</span><span
style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So
I think that we can assume that the GCCS is meant to
be one of those increasing stable of
multistakeholder global Internet Governance unicorns
whose intention is to replace more formal and
“democratically constituted” global Internet
Governance assemblies. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Why
this matters of course, is because the clear
intention is that this conference (and more
importantly its’ “Chairman's Statement”) is meant to
have a similar status to the NetMundial Outcome
document i.e. something that is widely quoted,
referred to and meant to have the form of some sort
of soft international statement of guiding
principles, deriving it’s legitimacy directly from
the fact of its multistakeholder origination and
authentication through the multistakeholder
plenaries etc. of the meeting itself.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
question of course is what legitimacy does this
conference have on its own terms as a
“multistakeholder” process and thus what
significance or legitimacy can its outcome statement
have beyond being a statement by certain individuals
selected on the basis of non-transparent critieria,
with no accountability to anyone other than the
funders, and thus presumably selected and designed
to reinforce and ratify already existing positions
as determined by the conference organizers.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
process of facilitating Civil Society participation
completely lacked transparency and accountability to
any agency outside of the organizational and
decision making processes of the conference itself
presumably under the direct supervision of the
sponsoring governmental bodies.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
facilitation of CS participation through control
over travel funding and the holding of the editorial
pen in CS contributions would appear to have been
directed by the representative or representatives of
organizations which get their primary funding from
one or another of the main governmental sponsors of
these meetings. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
Advisory Board, presumably selected on the advice of
this individual or individuals is notably not
broadly representative of CS in the Internet
Governance space for example, not including any of
those who either individually or organizationally
refused agreement to the UNESCO “Connecting the
Dots” Outcome Document which deliberately chose to
reject a commitment to “democratic governance of the
Internet” in favour of a non-defined
“multistakeholder governance of the Internet”; nor
including any representatives from the Just Net
Coalition whose proposal for an <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.internetsocialforum.net/"
target="_blank">Internet Social Forum</a> has just
received wide acceptance and support in the context
of the recently held <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://fsm2015.org/en" target="_blank">World
Social Forum</a>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Further
there would appear to have been no objection on the
part of the CS Advisory Group to the failure of the
conference to address the escalating issues of
Social and Economic Justice through and by the
Internet evidently accepting the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/why-im-giving-up-on-the-digital-divide/"
target="_blank">bland generalities of a concern
for “access” as an adequate substitute</a>. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Also,
there appears from the proposed conference outcome
document to have been no discussion on the
relationship between “security” and “social
justice”. Why for example, is the discussion
concerning “cyber security” only framed in military
or police enforcement terms rather than as is
broadly seen as appropriate in global civil society,
recognizing that economic and social security for
all provide the only realistic long term solution to
the current cyber (and other) security threats. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">In
other contexts ensuring that these issues were
included in the discussion would be the natural role
for CS participation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Again
we have an example of a purportedly
“multistakeholder” process which by its very nature
is biased and which lacks any of the formal
processes of transparency and accountability out of
which the legitimacy of any governance process must
be built.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:5.95pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Mike</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deirdre Williams<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April 16, 2015 1:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Internet Governance; Nnenna Nwakanma;
Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] GCCS Speech</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:2.5pt"><span
style="color:black">Dear Colleagues,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span
style="color:black">In my imagination I have
created an origin myth for the IGC.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span
style="color:black">Way back at the
beginning I see a group of people who all
recognise their differences and their
diversity but who, at the same time, all
identify themselves as belonging to civil
society. I see them recognising the
potential weakening effect of those
differences to the presentation of a common
approach, and therefore the desirability of
a “civil society” space for objective
discussion and negotiation of the
differences and the diversity towards what
common position may be possible.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span
style="color:black">I wasn’t there. Those
who were can debunk the myth as necessary.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span
style="color:black">Within the context of
this imaginary myth:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">Last
year Nnenna spoke at the Netmundial meeting in
Sao Paolo. Many of us were very enthusiastic
about that speech. Daniel Pimienta suggested
that we might work on distilling it into a set
of principles that, as civil society, we could
support. But we moved on to other things.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span
style="color:black">This morning Nnenna made
another speech. </span>Jean-Christophe has
stated what he disliked/disapproved
of/disagreed with about the speech. <span
style="color:black">Other people offered
uncritical praise for what she had said. But
we should not be “uncritical” with our
praise. </span>It would be good to see some
constructive discussion of what she had to
say.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">Best
wishes</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial">Deirdre</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:2.5pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 16 April 2015 at
07:06, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
Journal <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net"
target="_blank">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>>
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Nnenna from the Internet,</span></p>
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poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics,
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