<div dir="ltr"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Bonjour,
">Hello,<br><br></span><span title="Avec ma modeste experience, je crois qu'il ne faut pas écarter l'option du forum societe civile.">With my modest experience, I believe that we should not rule out the civil society forum option. </span><span title="Cependant, les contextes ont tellement évolués que dans la plupart des pays la collaboration entre les acteurs multipartites fonctionne merveilleusement bien.
">However, the contexts are so advanced that in most countries the collaboration between the multi-actors works beautifully.<br><br></span><span title="Par contre, dans la plupart de nos pays en afrique, en ce qui concerne les TIC, cette approche est constamment et intelligemment écarté par les décideurs politiques.
">By cons, in most of our countries in Africa, regarding ICT, this
approach is constantly and intelligently dismissed by policymakers.<br><br></span><span title="Il devient alors judicieux aux entités de la société civile d'organiser leur propre forum à l'instar de l'IGF.">It then becomes sensible to entities of civil society to organize their own forum like the IGF. </span><span title="Cela ne signifie pas que le gouvernement et le secteur privé soient ignorés.">This does not mean that the government and the private sector are ignored. </span><span title="Les recommandations de la société civile servent généralement de baromètre, de référence ou d'indicateur pour les décideurs politiques.">The recommendations of civil society generally serve as a barometer, reference or indicator for policy makers. </span><span title="Le secteur privé s'adapte au comportement du gouvernement.
">The private sector is adapting to the behavior of the government.<br><br></span><span title="Mais ce qui est plus dur à accepter, c'est souvent l'indifférence des agences des Nations Unies ou des partenaires bilatéraux qui connaissent très bien ces problématiques et qui, étant présent dans le pays, ne se font pas attendre en terme d'accompagnement">But
what is harder to accept, it is often the indifference of the UN
agencies and bilateral partners who are very familiar with these issues
and who, being present in the country, do not expect in terms of support
</span><span title="financier des activites des entités de la société civile engagée dans cette dynamique.
">financial activities of entities of civil society engaged in this process.<br><br></span><span title="Le forum société civile sur la gouvernance de l'internet est indispensable.">The civil society forum on Internet governance is essential. </span><span title="Dans cette optique, je soutiens aussi et ,mes collègues de CAFEC, le forum social de l'internet.
">With this in mind, I also support and my colleagues CAFEC the social forum of the internet.<br><br></span><span title="Le forum avec le gouvernement et/ou avec le secteur privé ne peut être possible que si le gouvernement ou les partenaires bilateraux ou multilateraux s'y engagent.
">The forum with the government and / or the private sector may not be
possible if the government or bilateral or multilateral partners engaged
in it.<br><br></span><span title="C'est pour cette raison que j'ai souligné ci-haut que les contextes ne sont plus les mêmes et nous sommes devant un nouveau paradigme avec comme préoccupation majeure LA CYBERCRIMINALITE DANS LE CYBERESPACE.">For
this reason I emphasized above that contexts are not the same and we
are facing a new paradigm as a major concern with CYBER CRIME IN
CYBERSPACE. </span><span title="Ce qui remet constamment en cause la question de la confiance en mettant en exergue la question de la cybersécurité.">Which constantly challenges the issue of trust, highlighting the issue of cybersecurity.</span></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-04-03 9:18 GMT+01:00 Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg" target="_blank">TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Norbert.<br>
<span class=""><br>
>Therefore, I'd like to ask directly, in relation to the fact that you<br>
posted, ³If even the World Economic Forum is recognising the<br>
importance of a multistakeholder model<br>
<a href="http://www.weforum.org/reports/future-role-civil-society" target="_blank">http://www.weforum.org/reports/future-role-civil-society</a>, would not a<br>
civil-society-only meeting be a step backward?²:<br>
<br>
>Do you view this point about the WEF as being applicable only in<br>
reference to "workshops" in IGF / regional IGF contexts, or more<br>
broadly?<br>
<br>
</span>Given the context, I was talking only about the IGF/regional IGF contexts.<br>
<span class=""><br>
<br>
>And specifically, do you see a civil-society-only stand-alone forum<br>
such as the proposed Internet Social Forum as unquestionably<br>
legitimate, or do you see that point about the WEF as being relevant<br>
to questioning legitimacy of the Internet Social Forum?<br>
<br>
<br>
</span>Just as governments can organise governments-only meetings and business<br>
can organise business-only meetings, so civil society can organise civil<br>
society-only meetings. Legitimacy of any one of these meeting is not the<br>
question to ask.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Peng Hwa<br>
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On 3/4/15 3:06 am, "Norbert Bollow" <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 17:57:01 +0000<br>
>"Ang Peng Hwa (Prof)" <<a href="mailto:TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg">TPHANG@ntu.edu.sg</a>> wrote,<br>
>in response to a posting from me:<br>
><br>
>> >I'm going to address the above question slightly outside of its<br>
>> >original context,<br>
>> Ok, no response is needed from me then because the context is<br>
>> important.<br>
><br>
>Context is always important. However your posting was not clear on<br>
>whether you meant your pointed question *only* in reference to the<br>
>specific context of the previous discussion, or more generally. And<br>
>this still hasn't been clarified.<br>
><br>
>Therefore, I'd like to ask directly, in relation to the fact that you<br>
>posted, ³If even the World Economic Forum is recognising the<br>
>importance of a multistakeholder model<br>
><a href="http://www.weforum.org/reports/future-role-civil-society" target="_blank">http://www.weforum.org/reports/future-role-civil-society</a>, would not a<br>
>civil-society-only meeting be a step backward?²:<br>
><br>
>Do you view this point about the WEF as being applicable only in<br>
>reference to "workshops" in IGF / regional IGF contexts, or more<br>
>broadly?<br>
><br>
>And specifically, do you see a civil-society-only stand-alone forum<br>
>such as the proposed Internet Social Forum as unquestionably<br>
>legitimate, or do you see that point about the WEF as being relevant<br>
>to questioning legitimacy of the Internet Social Forum?<br>
><br>
>>> In my view, questioning the legitimacy of holding civil-society-only<br>
>>> meetings for purposes of discussion and strategizing and seeking to<br>
>>> build momentum within civil society for proposed public interest<br>
>>> oriented agendas is like questioning the legitimacy of the desire of<br>
>>> businesses to be profitable, or questioning the legitimacy of the<br>
>>> desire of governments to fund themselves through taxes.<br>
>><br>
>> I hope you do not take offence but an analogy is not an argument.<br>
><br>
>Of course it isn't. But if it should happen that someone expresses<br>
>doubts about that analogy being a quite appropriate one, I will be<br>
>happy to defend my view with arguments.<br>
><br>
>Greetings,<br>
>Norbert<br>
<br>
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