<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I am not going to tell you how this turned out -  let us just say that "Never say never" never gets old.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><br><u></u><div style="direction:ltr;background:#ddd;font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:#666;text-align:center;margin:0;padding:0"><table style="width:100%;background:#dddddd" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><tbody><tr><td><span style="display:none!important"> joly posted: "On Wednesday March 25 2016 George Washington University hosted National Security and Cyber Surveillance: A Debate in Washington DC. Using the Oxford debate format, the resolution was Should the government never engage in bulk data collection for national " </span><table style="width:100%;padding:10px" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="center"><tbody><tr><td><div style="direction:ltr;max-width:600px;margin:0 auto;overflow:hidden"><table style="width:100%;background-color:#fff;text-align:left;max-width:1024px;min-width:320px;margin:0 auto" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><td><table style border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td> </td></tr></tbody></table><table style="width:100%;color:#08c;font-size:1.6em;background-color:#efefef;border-bottom:1px solid #ddd;margin:0;padding:0" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td> </td></tr></tbody></table><br><table style="width:100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="20" bgcolor="#ffffff"><tbody><tr><td><table style="width:100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><table style="width:100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td> </td></tr></tbody></table><div style="direction:ltr;margin-top:1em;max-width:560px"><p style="direction:ltr;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4em;color:#444;font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0 0 1em">On <strong>Wednesday March 25 2016</strong> George Washington University hosted <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://www.universityseminars-ifg.seas.gwu.edu/#!upcoming-events-natsecuritycybersecurity/c18oj"><strong>National Security and Cyber Surveillance: A Debate</strong></a> in Washington DC. Using the <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate#Oxford-Style_debate">Oxford debate format</a>, the resolution was <strong>Should the government never engage in bulk data collection for national security purposes?</strong> <strong>Lee Tien</strong>, Senior Staff Attorney and Adams Chair for Internet Rights of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and <strong>Chris Soghoian</strong>, Principal Technologist and a Senior Policy Analyst of the ACLU represented the “pro” side. Professor <strong>Orin Kerr</strong> of GW Law and <strong>Paul Clark</strong>, President and CTO of Secure Methods LLC argued the “con” side. The event was webcast live y the Internet Society's North America Bureau. Video is below.</p><p style="direction:ltr;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4em;color:#444;font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0 0 1em"><a class="playable" style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX9ZbGhLRkI?rel=0"><img style="max-width: 100%; margin-bottom: 12px;" src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/mX9ZbGhLRkI/0.jpg" alt="" border="0"></a></p><p style="direction:ltr;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4em;color:#444;font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0 0 1em"><strong>View on YouTube</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="https://youtu.be/mX9ZbGhLRkI">https://youtu.be/mX9ZbGhLRkI</a><br><strong> Transcribe on AMARA</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://www.amara.org/en/videos/pGpVklRRqoiZ/">http://www.amara.org/en/videos/pGpVklRRqoiZ/</a><br><strong> Twitter</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23gwifg&src=typd">#gwigf</a></p></div><table style="width:auto" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="width:10px"><a style="text-decoration:none;color:#fff;border-radius:10em;border:1px solid #11729e;background-color:#2585b2;padding:5px 15px;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4em;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;margin-left:0;white-space:nowrap" href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7668#respond">Comment</a></td><td>   <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:#2585b2" href="http://isoc-ny.org/p2/7668#comments">See all comments</a></td></tr></tbody></table><p> </p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><table style="width:100%;background-color:#efefef;text-align:left;border-top:1px solid #ddd" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="20" bgcolor="#efefef"><tbody><t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