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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>I'm sure we can toss theoretical schema's around forever (600 pages !?!) but I think it may be more useful to deal with the practice. I hardly need to point to instances of democratic practice with socially desirable outcomes in all areas, at all levels, over the last 1000 years or so… As for the practical examples of multistakeholder processes, apart from those encased in technical issues and the technical community I’m not so sure… However in the spirit of open inquiry I'm specifically asking for successful instances of multistakeholder decision making that we can look at, analyse and assess apart from those which are continuously referred to from within the technical community ecosystem.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>In that instance I'll repeat my question concerning the purportedly "<a href="http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/resources/news-and-in-focus-articles/all-news/news/a_multi_stakeholder_gathering_adopts_an_outcome_document_at_the_connecting_the_dots_conference/#.VPrafDWgmPQ">successful</a>" “multistakeholder” process which was the method for preparing the UNESCO conference Outcome Document…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Here, so far undisputed is how I described this process in an earlier email <i>“As an aside, if anyone is still wondering how MS decision processes might actually operate in practice one need only reflect on the processes of decision making that went into this purportedly multistakeholder Output Document -- the highly questionable and completely non-transparent selection of the editorial committee (from a small circle of the Internet Governance elite), where potentially critical but equally qualified participants were excluded, where dissenting voices and positions were suppressed, with a complete lack of accountability to presumed constituencies or "stakeholder" groups, and where the outcome was presented quite falsely as a "consensus" document and output of the associated meeting.”<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class=bodytext><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This is from UNESCO’s <a href="http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/resources/news-and-in-focus-articles/all-news/news/a_multi_stakeholder_gathering_adopts_an_outcome_document_at_the_connecting_the_dots_conference/#.VPx8UuG2pq9">press release</a> concerning the Outcome Document “</span><span style='color:windowtext'>A multistakeholder group worked continuously during the conference to synthesise several rounds of feedback into an outcome document that could reflect the points of consensus. The group suggested that a number of proposals to add more detail and additional debates into the final Outcome Document, would be better reflected with the study. </span>Leading the multistakeholder group was Mr William Dutton, Quello Professor, Michigan State University, who had earlier helped UNESCO to synthesise the many responses and inputs into the draft study. … Other group members, reflecting a range of constituencies, included Ms Albana Shala, Chair of UNESCO’s International Programme for Development of Communication (IPDC); Ms Chafica Haddad, Chair of UNESCO’s Information For All Programme (IFAP); Mr Jânis Kârkliňđ, Chair of Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) for Internet Governance Forum; Ms Constance Bommelaer, Internet Society (ISOC); Ms Ellen Blackler, International Chamber of Commerce (ICC); Ms Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communication (APC); Ms Rana Sabbagh, Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (ARIJ) and Mr Erick Iriarte, IALaw.” <span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=bodytext><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes, I think it is a very good idea to finally start discussing specifics.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText>M<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm<br>Sent: March 8, 2015 9:27 AM<br>To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow<br>Subject: Re: [governance] Response to Jeremy's insinuations (was Re: Remarks at UNESCO Closing Ceremony...)</span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>nb@bollow.ch</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 22:05:55 -0800<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>jmalcolm@eff.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> So JNC is in exactly the same position as that for which it <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> (particularly Michael) regularly lambasts the pro-multi-stakeholder <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>> people. In fact, we have more concrete proposals than you do!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Where are your concrete proposals? Do you have links for them, like I <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> have given a link to my proposal? ( <a href="http://WisdomTaskForce.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://WisdomTaskForce.org</span></a> .)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If you're unaware of these, you have a lot of reading to catch up on. Start at GigaNet (<a href="http://giga-net.org/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://giga-net.org/</span></a>). For a less academic, higher-level outline, also look through the submissions to NETmundial (<a href="http://content.netmundial.br/docs/contribs"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://content.netmundial.br/docs/contribs</span></a>). For my own part, you're already aware that seven years ago I published over 600 pages on how the IGF could become a multi-stakeholder body that makes public policy recommendations, and released it under Creative Commons at <a href="https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0980508401-"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0980508401-</span></a> surely that counts if your Wisdom Task Force counts. And do none of the current proposals for IANA transition (eg. <a href="http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/03/03/a-roadmap-for-globalizing-iana/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/03/03/a-roadmap-for-globalizing-iana/</span></a>) count for anything?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>If you're after a more generalised set of criteria of good multi-stakeholder processes (back at the Bali IGF what I started calling a "quality seal" of multi-stakeholderism), rather than proposals that are specific to the IGF, ICANN, etc. then you can expect news about another effort to produce something like this in the next week or two, following on from a pre-UNESCO side-meeting that some of us attended - but there's an announcement coming soon and I'm not going to steal its thunder.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Anyway, the supposed lack of concrete proposals is not the real point, right? The problem that you really have is that you're not satisfied with what those proposals say, by aiming to transcend statist global governance, which you don't accept is democratically legitimate. So let's not muddy the water with false issues.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I am going to take a break from this discussion for now, because it has been going around in circles. Everything that could possibly be said between us on this topic, has been - many times. I'm starting to feel like I should just write a FAQ, and reply to list mails with a link to that. 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