<div dir="ltr"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">Hello</span> <span class="">Martin,</span><br><br> <span class="">Indeed</span><span>, no one can</span> <span class="">claim to have</span> <span class="">the majority of Internet</span> <span class="">and especially not</span> <span class="">have influence</span> <span class="">on</span> <span class="">80% of</span> <span class="">all categories</span> <span class="">communities.</span><br><br> <span class="">In this process</span><span>, I would say</span> <span class="">better "</span><span>gift</span><span>, sharing information</span><span>"</span> <span class="">because</span> <span class="">the finish</span><span>, we can not</span> <span class="">reap</span> <span class="">what we</span> <span class="">have sown</span><span>, and even</span> <span class="">less.</span><br><br> <span class="">It is a dynamic</span> <span class="">that must</span> <span class="">maintain</span> <span class="">constant</span> <span class="">boiling to</span> <span class="">continue having</span> <span class="">reactions or</span> <span class="">feedback</span> <span class="">to enrich the debate</span><span>.</span><br><br> <span class="">We must</span> <span class="">continually</span> <span class="">revisit</span> <span class="">its own</span> <span class="">communication strategy</span> <span class="">and</span> <span class="">adapted</span> <span class="">according to the context</span> <span class="">and circumstances.</span><br><br> <span class="">This is</span> <span class="">the world of knowledge</span> <span class="">that is very</span> <span class="">moving</span><span>,</span> <span class="">very</span> <span class="">mobile</span><span>,</span> <span class="">a maze</span> <span class="">that requires active</span> <span class="">attention.</span></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-05 10:36 GMT+01:00 Marcin Cieslak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:saper@saper.info" target="_blank">saper@saper.info</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">(trimming addresses)<br>
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2015, JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:<br>
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> I think Popper once said you should avoid discussions on<br>
> definitions. They tend to turn into viciously circular infinite<br>
> regressions. That said, we have problems with lots of concepts and<br>
> phrases like for example "Everyone should have the same rights<br>
> online as offline". Rights implies enforcement, enforcement requires<br>
> a judiciary, judiciary needs a legislator, legislator needs...<br>
> democratic accountability.<br>
<br>
As somebody who worked with elections let me assume a very minimal<br>
definition of democracy: It's a system, in which when things go wrong<br>
an unsatisfied majority can overthrow the rulers in a peaceful manner,<br>
usually by voting them down.<br>
<br>
To me, if a system does not meet this criteria, it is not democratic.<br>
You need a revolution to change things.<br>
<br>
Once I told Polish PM, Mr Donald Tusk, a simple thing: "Sir, I am<br>
afraid we have to assume that the Republic of Poland has no sovereignity<br>
over the Internet". (We were discussing "illegal online gambling" or so).<br>
<br>
Taking the above into consideration the way I think about it now is that<br>
all the stakeholders needed to realize they nobody (yet?) has an actual<br>
veto power over the network. So you had to take a step back and<br>
see that you cannot exercise your power alone.<br>
<br>
Multistakeholder model to me started as a way for governments,<br>
corporations and activits to exchange some views, more<br>
a communication and education effort rather than any "decision making".<br>
Maybe it is just the way to *prevent* unilateral ruling by<br>
any of the parties alone.<br>
<br>
Nobody can say they truly represent "the users", or the connected<br>
community. Nobody currently holds the power to say "things<br>
go wrong, let's stop". Finding some majority (or even<br>
a large coherent group) is an illusion.<br>
<br>
I like the word "democratic" a lot but I am not sure where<br>
it should go in this context. Don't get be started on participation,<br>
representation and all those things that maybe few percent<br>
of Internet community enjoy in their daily lives.<br>
<br>
Marcin Cieślak<br>
*mostly just lurking here*<br>
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