<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On 5 Mar 2015, at 4:54 pm, Jean-Christophe Nothias <<a href="mailto:jeanchristophe.nothias@gmail.com">jeanchristophe.nothias@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Love your "some civil society persons”. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Well, its not the phrasing I would have used had it not already been used. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Love you 'some issues" as well.</div><div>Perhaps it is just "some you".</div><div>I am sure everyone will enjoy your <i>manière de faire</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Something lost in translation there. I understand the literal meaning, but I guess I am missing something colloquial. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>JNC, contrary to the people who are funded by big US money, are accepting no money from either the US government or corps or status-quo institutions such as ICANN </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>So, is it your contention that if ICANN gives financial assistance to civil society to increase civil society participation, that is wrong? Or, for that matter, developing nation governments or technical community, etc?</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I cheerily accept ICANN travel funding as a way to participate in ICANN, and I am pleased that ICANN does fund some participants to increase participation from civil society and the global south. I’m not sure why you are implying that is a bad thing. I think it fairly obvious that if ICANN did not give out travel funding, it would increase the influence of wealthy western governments and corporates. </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>And there are certainly worse governments to accept money from than the US! Not that I’ve accepted any money from the US, or even the Australian government. </div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>or any other foreign governments or corporations. It would be so interesting to disclose the funding powers behind the multistakholderist faction: of course, if you wish us to be of some help with this, we are ready to provide you with a detailed list of the lucky funded folks in our CS world. Shall we go into that? Ready?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Sure. My organisation is primarily membership and donation based and publicly post our financials. I know most of the active NCSG colleagues are either working for academic institutions or for membership or donation funded organisations - and virtually everyone involved in ICANN processes has a public SOI on file. There are certainly orgs that accept corporate donations, and many of them have very open finances (CDT, for example). </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I’m curious about the membership and funding of plenty of groups in CS, including some in JNC, though curiosity alone isn’t always sufficient justification. But FWIW, I suspect your implied 'threat’ there is based on the assumption that everyone shares your opinions that all corporate funding on civil society by corporations you dislike makes them tainted - and I think that is simply a minority view based on a fairly rigid ideological position. Sometimes corporations, including large US internet ones, will ally with civil society when we have shared concerns, sometimes corporations will support civil society because they wish to support effective processes, sometimes corporate social responsibility programs might even imply a degree of altruism. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cheers</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>US money, British money, Swedish money ... let's follow the money for once. We will all learn a lot and some will have to stop pretending being true CS.</div><div><br></div><div>Who pays for the musicians...</div><div><br></div><div>JC</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Le 5 mars 2015 à 09:35, David Cake a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On 5 Mar 2015, at 12:39 am, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;">.The fact that some 'civil society' persons sided with US and its allies (who as the key power-holders in the global IG realm have their obvious reasons) to do so indeed makes it a sad day for public interest advocacy.... parminder<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I really find some civil society persons siding with Russia and the KSA on some issues to be a bigger long term concern for support of democracy within civil society, but perhaps that is just me. </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote cite="mid:0d0601d05697$73dbcee0$5b936ca0$@gmail.com" type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">M<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeremy Malcolm<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>March 4, 2015 7:42 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy Malcolm<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus - IGC; Nnenna Nwakanma;<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [bestbits] [governance] Remarks at UNESCO Closing Ceremony of "Connecting the Dots Conference"<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">You’re right, but you can nevertheless thank UNESCO for the opportunity to participate on a multi-stakeholder basis and acknowledge that the outcome document is a lot richer than it would otherwise have been because of this.<o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Also, please clarify that the Just Net Coalition does NOT represent all of civil society. This given that Richard Hill on behalf of the coalition has just disrupted the meeting with a formal objection to the document due to its omission to qualify references to multi-stakeholderism with “democratic” (which he incorrectly stated was not objected to during the last drafting session), and its omission to include a reference to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Other than his objection, the document was adopted by the meeting by consensus.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">-- <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">Jeremy Malcolm<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">Senior Global Policy Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">Electronic Frontier Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://eff.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://eff.org</a><br><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">jmalcolm@eff.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">:: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">Public key:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.eff.org/files/2014/10/09/key_jmalcolm.txt" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://www.eff.org/files/2014/10/09/key_jmalcolm.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">PGP fingerprint: FF13 C2E9 F9C3 DF54 7C4F EAC1 F675 AAE2 D2AB 2220<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">OTR fingerprint: 26EE FD85 3740 8228 9460 49A8 536F BCD2 536F A5BD<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="">Learn how to encrypt your email with the Email Self Defense guide:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><br><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><pre wrap="">____________________________________________________________
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