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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 05 March 2015 03:01 PM,
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I’m
curious about the membership and funding of plenty of groups in
CS, including some in JNC, though curiosity alone isn’t always
sufficient justification.<br>
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You should always ask - any organisation in public policy space must
tell about its funding. Yours is a right to ask, and it the
responsibility of every such organisation to tell. About JNC
members, let me know which one are you curious about and I will find
out about their funding and get back to you.<br>
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BTW, did you really entirely miss all the emails that especially
Norbert has been posting seeking funding information about BestBits
steering committee members, or are your curiosities just rather too
partisan and one-sided. <br>
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<div> But FWIW, I suspect your implied 'threat’ there is based on
the assumption that everyone shares your opinions that all
corporate funding on civil society by corporations you dislike
makes them tainted - and I think that is simply a minority view
based on a fairly rigid ideological position. Sometimes
corporations, including large US internet ones, will ally with
civil society when we have shared concerns, sometimes
corporations will support civil society because they wish to
support effective processes, sometimes corporate social
responsibility programs might even imply a degree of altruism. </div>
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<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cheers</div>
<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div>
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<div>US money, British money, Swedish money ... let's follow
the money for once. We will all learn a lot and some will
have to stop pretending being true CS.</div>
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<div>Who pays for the musicians...</div>
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<div>Le 5 mars 2015 à 09:35, David Cake a écrit :</div>
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<div>On 5 Mar 2015, at 12:39 am, parminder <<a
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fact that some 'civil society' persons sided
with US and its allies (who as the key
power-holders in the global IG realm have
their obvious reasons) to do so indeed makes
it a sad day for public interest advocacy....
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<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>I really find
some civil society persons siding with Russia and
the KSA on some issues to be a bigger long term
concern for support of democracy within civil
society, but perhaps that is just me. </div>
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Behalf Of<span
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Malcolm<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
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4, 2015 7:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
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Malcolm<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[bestbits] [governance] Remarks at
UNESCO Closing Ceremony of
"Connecting the Dots Conference"<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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but you can nevertheless thank
UNESCO for the opportunity to
participate on a multi-stakeholder
basis and acknowledge that the
outcome document is a lot richer
than it would otherwise have been
because of this.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;">Also, please clarify
that the Just Net Coalition does NOT
represent all of civil society. This
given that Richard Hill on behalf of the
coalition has just disrupted the meeting
with a formal objection to the document
due to its omission to qualify
references to multi-stakeholderism with
“democratic” (which he incorrectly
stated was not objected to during the
last drafting session), and its omission
to include a reference to
the International Covenant on Economic,
Social and Cultural Rights. Other than
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by the meeting by consensus.<o:p></o:p></div>
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0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
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none; display: inline !important;"> </span><a
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href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" style="color:
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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
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widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float:
none; display: inline !important;">Translate
this email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
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normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">
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