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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 04 March 2015 09:52 PM,
      Michael Gurstein wrote:<br>
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            the Just Net Coalition does represent a rather significant
            component of civil society and arguably a numerically rather
            larger component than do certain other components such as
            those gathered around Best Bits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">BTW,
            since when did Civil Society not support democracy as a
            fundamental anchor for any governance process.  I would
            suggest in fact that it is again arguable that any group
            which did not endorse democracy as a fundamental principle
            would find itself ostracized and shunned within any
            conventional civil society grouping.</span></p>
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    Like for instance in a women's rights group there are some
    red-lines, some things cannot be said, and some cannot be spoken
    against. Every political group has some red lines, and civil society
    involved with Internet governance must also have some. To me
    resisting mention of 'democratic' in an IG document with the claim
    that the term carries 'baggage' certainly qualifies as such a
    redline.The fact that some  'civil society' persons sided with US
    and its allies (who as the key power-holders in the global IG realm
    have their obvious reasons) to do so indeed makes it a sad day for
    public interest advocacy.... parminder <br>
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                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Malcolm<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> March 4, 2015 7:42 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Jeremy Malcolm<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus -
                IGC; Nnenna Nwakanma;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"><bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] [governance] Remarks at
                UNESCO Closing Ceremony of "Connecting the Dots
                Conference"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Jeremy Malcolm
          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>
          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">You’re right, but you can
                    nevertheless thank UNESCO for the opportunity to
                    participate on a multi-stakeholder basis and
                    acknowledge that the outcome document is a lot
                    richer than it would otherwise have been because of
                    this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Also, please clarify that the Just Net
            Coalition does NOT represent all of civil society.  This
            given that Richard Hill on behalf of the coalition has just
            disrupted the meeting with a formal objection to the
            document due to its omission to qualify references to
            multi-stakeholderism with “democratic” (which he incorrectly
            stated was not objected to during the last drafting
            session), and its omission to include a reference to
            the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural
            Rights.  Other than his objection, the document was adopted
            by the meeting by consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jeremy
                            Malcolm<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Senior
                            Global Policy Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Electronic
                            Frontier Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            href="https://eff.org">https://eff.org</a><br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tel:
                            415.436.9333 ext 161<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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