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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 February 2015 11:52 AM,
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 February 2015 08:44
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This certainly seems to be a positive decision, and I welcome
it.
<div>However, regulation like a public utility, and in the
public interest, are not quite the same thing.</div>
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Yes, they are not the same thing. Public utility regulation is a
subset of a larger universe of regulation in public interest. In
fact all regulation is in public interest, but all regulation is
not as intrusive to be called public utility regulation. For
instance, even title 1 regulation by FCC is regulating the
Internet in public interest, but here as more or less a normal
commercial activity. Putting the Internet under title 2, which the
FCC decision is expected to do, makes it more like a public
utility regulation, recognising the Internet's exceptional social
importance. <br>
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Do note that the cited NY article does say that is that the FCC is
"expected on Thursday to approve regulating Internet service like
a public utility". <br>
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Further, this is a fact, as Seth also says, that such descriptions
as 'public interest regulation' </blockquote>
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I meant ' public utility regulation' <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:54EEBBA7.7070102@itforchange.net" type="cite">for
the Internet, or even the use of the word 'public good' (another
word the article uses for the Internet) , was largely a no-no in
dominant global IG discourse, till just a few months back, and a
very larger number of people on this elist will vehemently oppose
any use of these terms in relation to the Internet.<br>
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This when civil society is supposed to be on the vanguard of a
more radical progressive discourse. Now, when the US government -
that great defender of free markets, globally - brings in
regulation based on these very progressive concepts , which such a
large number of people in this group had either vehemently opposed
or silently been unenthusiastic about, Michael has a right to
point out what he see as a political irony. His is simply a
political statement, and if this forum is not for making political
statements and arguments, I do not know what it is. Political
history is an important part of contemporary politics, and if it
needs to be asserted, it must be. <br>
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BTW, in its points 2 and 3, the Delhi Declaration of the Just Net
Coalition respectively uses the terms 'public utility' and 'public
good' in relation to the Internet. <br>
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parminder<br>
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<div> A good fit for the current US situation (in which
alternative forms of regulation were specifically struck down
by the courts), but regulation like a public utility may not
be the best public interest solution for all nations. </div>
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<div>Only one sentence, Michael, and you manage to fit in both
an unhelpful oversimplification of the issue, AND a pointless,
inaccurate, and nasty swipe at your civil society colleagues.
Efficient. </div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<div>David</div>
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<div>On 26 Feb 2015, at 10:12 am, Michael Gurstein <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>
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