<div dir="ltr">The International Court of Justice (ICJ), unlike the International Criminal Court (ICC), cannot indict persons. It is a court of last resort in which disputes between states are settled. The Court can also be asked to provide advisory opinions. States need to submit to its jurisdiction, either ex ante for all cases, or for a specific case. It seems unlikely that North Korea would agree to any proceedings. <div><br></div><div>Suggestions for 'digital benches' at the ICJ are premature. As has been correctly pointed out, the ICJ applies international law - treaties, custom, principles - and does not create new law. International law regarding the Internet is still crystallizing. The <a href="https://ccdcoe.org/tallinn-manual.html">Tallinn Manual (Process)</a> and the Articles on State Responsibility can help us determine whether acts of private actors can be attributed to states. If you are interested in theses issues, do read this interesting <a href="http://www.asil.org/insights/volume/19/issue/1/cyber-operations-private-actors-ukraine-russia-conflict-cyber-war-cyber">comment</a> by Gertjan Boulet on the attributability of cyber attacks in the Ukraine conflict. <div><br></div><div>International criminal law is another matter entirely. Individuals, including heads of states and government, can be (and have been) <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/07/north-korea-case-to-the-hague">indicted</a> by the ICC for certain serious crimes. Alternatively, the Security Council could refer a situation to the ICC. </div></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Matthias</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Barry Shein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bzs@world.std.com" target="_blank">bzs@world.std.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
On January 7, 2015 at 12:13 <a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a> (parminder) wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Wednesday 07 January 2015 12:32 AM, Barry Shein wrote:<br>
> > I don't think you have an "exceptionally poor IQ" :-)<br>
> ><br>
> > But there is a whiff of moral nihilism inherent in this.<br>
><br>
> Not at all. That is one one thing you can hardly ever accuse me of :)<br>
> ><br>
> > That said the problem we continue to run up against is no effective<br>
> > international dispute resolution process.<br>
> What about the International Court of Justice. In my view, with the<br>
<br>
</span>Has the ICJ ever gotten around to indicting anyone over the 9/11<br>
attacks? Did they indict Osama bin Laden or others named (KSM, et al)?<br>
<br>
To my knowledge, no. I suppose the effect on the World Trade Center in<br>
NYC (etc) and boasting by OBL (et al) did not constitute sufficient<br>
evidence to indict.<br>
<br>
Or that's not what they do, my misunderstanding.<br>
<br>
What do they do, exactly? Reading over their decisions they seem more<br>
useful in cases where the two sides in dispute are likely to accept<br>
their jurisdiction. Is North Korea (DPRK) likely to accept their<br>
jurisdiction?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=2" target="_blank">http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=2</a><br>
<span class=""><br>
> digital encompassing a largely boundary-less world, there should be a<br>
> separate digital bench of the ICJ. (Some organisations have suggested<br>
> this as a part of the new institutional landscape that we need for<br>
> global IG). But for that we need to develop international law bec ICJ<br>
> applies international law - for which we need venues to legitimately<br>
> develop international law..... Which is something many of us have been<br>
> struggling for a long time, including in this space.<br>
><br>
> > Even if we were to assume<br>
> > the worst the DPRK is accused of were true, or Iran for that matter<br>
> > (much of which is quite believable if for no other reason than they<br>
> > boast about it) what is the resolution process? Beyond a group of<br>
> > probably reasonable people agreeing to issue a statement sympathizing<br>
> > with one side or another?<br>
><br>
> The above is a clear plan of action, not just a vacant statement of<br>
> outrage and sympathy. (and my proof against allegation of moral nihilism<br>
> :) ) My view is that civil society should be working on such plans, to<br>
> promote global public interest. But a lot of them seem to have other<br>
> plans, for instance, joining up with big business like at the WEF to<br>
> block development of international law and norms in this area...<br>
><br>
> parminder<br>
<br>
</span>That said, perhaps the ICJ would be useful in the internet sphere.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
--<br>
-Barry Shein<br>
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