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    To my understanding,  for most of those who now support the NMI, the
    case against UN institutions' involvement with IG was the presence
    of Chinas and Irans over there - how can we trust our Internet to
    such authoritarian governments?!  It is a bit strange to see a
    special happiness being expressed when the same actors now join the
    NMI. What is one missing here?<br>
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    The fact is that China has such a iron grip over its Internet -
    politically and economic-ally, that it is no longer greatly
    interested in more and better (as in more democratic) global
    governance of the Internet. It can do with forums to make deals and
    adjustments, and that is about all. That is China's attraction for
    the NMI, and here is where its interests partially overlap with 
    those of the US, whose whole effort is to block any move whatsoever
    towards globally democratic governance of the Internet. What we
    therefore see is a move that is in the interest of all those who
    already have the most power in terms of the global Internet, they
    have a forum to negotiate their narrow interests.  And all those
    currently dis-empowered lose out and are worse off. (Apart from some
    crumbs throwing business.)<br>
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    In welcoming a forum where the 'biggies' are given positions, and
    the 'ordinary' get ignored is obviously problematic in itself.
    Worse, it pushes countries towards a model of global governance
    where the way to go is seen to be to seek means of making exclusive
    deals and negotiating narrow interests, instead of a pursuance of
    the global public interest (ok, I can hear sniggers, which is
    precisely the problem), which is what a UN kind of global governance
    system is under-pinned by. It distorts the very political thinking
    and philosophy that needs to form the basis of our shared global
    living. Big loss, really. <br>
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    parminder <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 27 December 2014 10:48 PM,
      Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26-Dec-14 19:16, Izumi AIZU wrote:<br>
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        <p dir="ltr">I see at least two names from China as very
          interesting or significant: Minister Lu Wei and Jack Ma of
          Alibaba, both were central figures at the World Internet
          Conference held in Wuzhen, China last month. Their
          participation in this Multistakeholder venture is a good sign.</p>
        <p dir="ltr">I also hope our Civil Society colleagues actively
          engage and advance our core values.</p>
        <p dir="ltr">Of course, there are certain or uncertain elements
          that are troublesome, but I like to remain constructive,
          critical, but more positive.</p>
        <p dir="ltr">And Happy holidays and New Year to all!!</p>
        <p dir="ltr">Izumi<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014/12/25 3:21 "Lee W McKnight" <<a
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                <p>FYI and happy holidays!</p>
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                <p>Lee<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr"><b>From:</b> Dave Farber via ip <<a
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                    <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:58 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> ip<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> [IP] NETmundial Initiative Announces
                    Formation of its Inaugural Coordination Council and
                    a Broad Global Community Consultation Phase |
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