<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Crovitz seems concerned - at least from his words - of an ITU capture of the governance process, which most of us except a certain vocal minority do have issues with.</div><div><br></div><div>It might be worth damning that article with faint praise sort of - but at the same time agreeing with crovitz that a capture of the governance process by authoritarian regimes is in no ones interest, whether they be right wing, left wing or us poor neoliberal centrists.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 02-Dec-2014, at 15:42, William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8">If people wanted to do some politics on which there could be broad agreement, responding to the right wing campaign in the US against the transfer of IANA stewardship from the US to the global community might be worth considering. This has become increasingly salient with the recent US election and is widely seen on the net. For a choice example, see the nut campaign being waged on the pages inter alia of the Wall Street Journal, e.g. below. Why not submit a letter or op-ed?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Halfway to Wrecking Internet Freedom: To forestall censorship by authoritarian governments, the White House must renew the Icann contract. [subscription maybe required]<o:p class=""></o:p></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We’re at the midpoint between the Obama administration’s March announcement that it would end U.S. protection of the open Internet and September 2015, when the change is supposed to happen. During this time, there has been no progress finding an alternative for protecting the Internet from authoritarian governments.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><<a href="http://online.wsj.com/articles/gordon-crovitz-halfway-to-wrecking-internet-freedom-1417387404" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class=""><span style="color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" class="">http://online.wsj.com/articles/gordon-crovitz-halfway-to-wrecking-internet-freedom-1417387404</span></a>></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 2, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" class="">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div style="" class=""><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">The problem is that your
theoretical model is an artificial construct, one that exists only in your
own little clique of people and bears little or no semblance to actual neo
liberalism. </p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">This random repurposing of
existing terms in economics and international relations into terms of
vilification doesn't constitute any theory that I am aware of. </p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">And people are trying to get
work done here and not play politics. In case it escaped your attention <br class="">
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<blockquote cite="mid:547D5E6C.1090409@itforchange.net" type="cite" class="">Neoliberalism is defined as the application of
market principles to everything, including those areas in which
such principles are not normally applied. The above is a perfect
case of the application of market principles to governance, as I
said , the pristine neoliberal governance model. <br class="">
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You may feel it is your privilege to villify others by tarring and
feathering them with the vile label of neoliberalism sometimes and
imperialism at other times. <br class="">
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See, here precisely lies the problem. I did nothing other than
analytically describe the affinity of a particular case in point,
the NM Initiative, and the CS support to it, with a theoritical
model called neoliberalism. Now, it is possible to point to
deficiency in my equation or argument, but call it vilification!!!
One could reject that the NMI and CS support for it does not further
neoliberal model of governance, or, as Milton does, own up the
neoliberal model of Internet governance, but I do not really see the
vilification here. And again I associated the term with a particular
model and a set of political actions around it, and not to any
individual behaviour for it to be called as vilification. In fact
this whole thread begun with wrongly labelling political criticism
as vilification. Such personalisation of a political dialogue takes
us nowhere, and makes it difficult to continue with it. <br class="">
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accept that you do so, yet I reject the label you apply to me.<br class="">
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I generally do not support market principles, but rather believe
in the tussle among those with different set of principles.<br class="">
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