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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Grande CA,<br>
<br>
You can be sure that not only will Jean-Louis "look at the
disastrous neoliberal policies being practiced in Europe since the
2008 crisis", he will be unhappy with it. But of course that does
not mean he, or many of us need not be concerned with Brazil's
role in the NMI. <br>
<br>
The reason why many of us are concerned about Brazil participation
in a space (WEF) that 'belongs' to the business elite of the
world, is simply that many of us consider Brazil a global leader
in supporting policies programmes for social justice, human
rights, democracy. As Parminder mentioned in an earlier post, the
WSF, which took birth in Brazil sees itself (inter alia) as the
antidote to the "disastrous neoliberal policies" that WEF is
associated with/promotes. Since you are also concerned about the
dangers of neo-liberalism, the following excerpt may be useful
read:<br>
<br>
The <b>World Social Forum</b> (WSF, <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language"
title="Portuguese language">Portuguese</a>: <span xml:lang="pt"
lang="pt"><i>Fórum Social Mundial</i></span> <span
title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet
(IPA)" class="IPA"><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Portuguese_and_Galician"
title="Help:IPA for Portuguese and Galician">[ˈfɔɾũ soˈsjaw
mũdʒiˈaw]</a></span>) is an annual meeting of civil society
organizations, first held in <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil" title="Brazil">Brazil</a>,
which offers a self-conscious effort to develop an alternative
future through the championing of <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-hegemonic_globalization"
title="Counter-hegemonic globalization">counter-hegemonic
globalization</a>. Some<sup class="noprint Inline-Template"
style="white-space:nowrap;"><i> <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions"
title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch"><span
title="The material near this tag possibly uses too-vague
attribution or weasel words. (June 2012)"></span></a></i></sup>consider
the World Social Forum to be a physical manifestation of global <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_society" title="Civil
society">civil society</a>, as it brings together <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_governmental_organizations"
title="Non governmental organizations" class="mw-redirect">non
governmental organizations</a>, advocacy campaigns as well as
formal and informal <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_movements"
title="Social movements" class="mw-redirect">social movements</a>
seeking international <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity"
title="Solidarity">solidarity</a>. The World Social Forum
prefers to define itself as "an opened space – plural, diverse,
non-governmental and non-partisan – that stimulates the
decentralized debate, reflection, proposals building, experiences
exchange and alliances among movements and organizations engaged
in concrete actions towards a more solidarity, democratic and fair
world....a permanent space and process to build alternatives to <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism"
title="Neoliberalism">neoliberalism</a>."<sup id="cite_ref-1"
class="reference"><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Social_Forum#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup>
...It tends to meet in January at the same time as its "great
capitalist rival", the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum"
title="World Economic Forum">World Economic Forum's</a> Annual
Meeting in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davos"
title="Davos">Davos</a>, <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland"
title="Switzerland">Switzerland</a>. This date is consciously
picked to promote their alternative answers to world economic
problems in opposition to the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum"
title="World Economic Forum">World Economic Forum</a>.<br>
<br>
Source - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Social_Forum">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Social_Forum</a><br>
<br>
Hope Brazil will really rethink its participation in the NMI.<br>
<br>
warm fraternal regards<br>
Guru<br>
<br>
On Sunday 30 November 2014 11:48 PM, Carlos Afonso wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:547B5F68.4090506@cafonso.ca" type="cite">Hi
Jean, I am a Brazilian, from São Paulo and living in Rio. No one
saw "hundreds of thousands" in the streets in June 2013 or any
other time except in the 80's with the campaign for direct
elections for president and the 90' with the movement for ethics
in politics. Brazil has 142 million voters. It takes a lot more
than a few hundreds of 1-2 thousand people in Paulista Avenue to
be representative of the will of Brazilian people.
<br>
<br>
Nice to be sitting comfortably somewhere in Europe and doing this
kind of shallow evaluation of our political process. You should
better take a look at the disastrous neoliberal policies being
practiced in Europe since the 2008 crisis.
<br>
<br>
fraternal regards
<br>
<br>
--c.a.
<br>
<br>
On 11/30/14 18:47, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Carlos
<br>
<br>
Yoiu wote :
<br>
<br>
< there is no one who could say WEF indoctrinated Lula, or
that WEF took
<br>
the reigns
<br>
of the government of Brazil.
<br>
<br>
You are right : there were hundreds of thousand Brasilians
-Indignados
<br>
and others- in the streets and places to protest about Lula's
and
<br>
Dilma's "softened" policy.
<br>
<br>
BTW, Davos is hosting annually a "policicy softening course of
<br>
treatment" ...
<br>
<br>
Best regards
<br>
<br>
Jean-louis Fullsack
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Message du 23/11/14 00:47
<br>
> De : "Carlos Afonso" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca"><ca@cafonso.ca></a>
<br>
> A : "Suresh Ramasubramanian"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a>,
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">"governance@lists.igcaucus.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><governance@lists.igcaucus.org></a>,
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">"parminder@itforchange.net"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>
<br>
> Copie à : "Hartmut Richard Glaser"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:glaser@cgi.br"><glaser@cgi.br></a>,
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">"bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net"><bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a>
<br>
> Objet : Re: [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian
CGI.br
<br>
>
<br>
> Dear people,
<br>
>
<br>
> In January 2003, Lula was just starting his first term
as
<br>
president. As
<br>
> usual he went to the World Social Forum where he was
met with
<br>
massive
<br>
> acclamation. I remember crying like a child to
experience in loco
<br>
the
<br>
> thousands of people cheering Lula.
<br>
>
<br>
> From Porto Alegre he went to Davos.(*) Yes, that
daunting lair of
<br>
> corporate devils! A group of militants, NGOs and
social movements of
<br>
> course criticized Lula, along the same lines JNC does
today as a
<br>
sort of
<br>
> scion of its view of political correctness. But other
militants,
<br>
NGOs
<br>
> and social movements supported Lula's visit to WEF (I
was among
<br>
them) --
<br>
> our president had to establish dialogue with all
sectors, and
<br>
there is
<br>
> no one who could say WEF indoctrinated Lula, or that
WEF took the
<br>
reigns
<br>
> of the government of Brazil. If anything happened, it
would be
<br>
the other
<br>
> way around.
<br>
>
<br>
> I like to recall this story because it reminds me of
the fury of
<br>
> arguments at the time -- just like we see today the
different
<br>
> (adversarial?) camps of civil society nailing each
other.
<br>
>
<br>
> fraternal regards
<br>
>
<br>
> --c.a.
<br>
>
<br>
> (*) See, for example, this report:
<br>
>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/biores/news/two-world-forums-debate-globalisation">http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/biores/news/two-world-forums-debate-globalisation</a><br>
>
<br>
> On 11/22/14 21:30, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> I am greatly disappointed that so many
friends in the CGI.Br
<br>
has now come
<br>
> >> out to vouchsafe or front for what is
basically a WEF and
<br>
ICANN (basically
<br>
> >> doing US's bidding) game.
<br>
> >
<br>
> > Disappointed? My heart bleeds for you, to be
sure.
<br>
> >
<br>
> >
<br>
> >> everyone knows WEF to be. Do the Brazilians,
who kind of gave
<br>
the world
<br>
> >> the World Social Forum, really need to be
reminded of the
<br>
basic lessons
<br>
> >> with regard to the designs of global
domination by a certain
<br>
economic and
<br>
> >> political elite, and their impatience with
democracy,
<br>
especially at the
<br>
> >> global level!
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >
<br>
> > Now you call them naïve. How incredibly
patronizing.
<br>
> >
<br>
> > Any so called "democracy" of the sort you seem to
want, that
<br>
excludes stakeholders based on any nationality and/or
economic
<br>
backgrounds that you dislike, is emphatically not a
democracy, but
<br>
merely pure demagoguery. Makes me glad that you continue to
remain
<br>
far, far away from the civil society mainstream thinking on
this
<br>
subject.
<br>
> >
<br>
> >> Again, you are fast expending the political
capital that the
<br>
Brazilian
<br>
> >> government and CGI.Br has, something that I
find to be such a
<br>
great loss,
<br>
> >> and very much hope were not the case. *The
global progressive
<br>
community
<br>
> >> has consistently supported you, but this
support cannot be
<br>
taken for
<br>
> >
<br>
> > I admire how you keep attempting to speak for the
global
<br>
progressive community, in pushing the regressive agenda that
you
<br>
continue to push, and that the majority of the community
apparently
<br>
doesn't share.
<br>
> >
<br>
> >> granted, which is my unfortunate duty to tell
you, as you come out
<br>
> >> publicly to seek global support for a WEF
centred global
<br>
governance
<br>
> >> initiative.*
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >
<br>
> > Your support, and those of the small splinter
group of
<br>
extremists that caucus with you? Well, may the good Lord
preserve us
<br>
all from such support.
<br>
> >
<br>
> >> Your statement says that you are willing to
dialogue and work
<br>
together
<br>
> >> with everyone. Some of us from global
progressive civil
<br>
society offer
<br>
> >> ourselves for such a dialogue. We have in our
hands today the
<br>
interests
<br>
> >> and fate of the people of the world, and of
the future
<br>
generations. Let
<br>
> >
<br>
> > That sounds more like a royal "We" than any sort
of
<br>
inclusiveness. Do stop trying to speak for civil society at
large.
<br>
You don't and have never represented it all.
<br>
> >
<br>
> > --srs
<br>
> >
<br>
>
<br>
>
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