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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">They tend to use it more like
an obscenity if you ask me. It has become the new 'evil capitalist running
dog' of sorts. <br>
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<p
style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10pt 0;">On
November 21, 2014 10:51:30 AM David Cake <dave@difference.com.au>
wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"
style="margin: 0 0 0 0.75ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left: 0.75ex;"><br><div><div>On
19 Nov 2014, at 5:35 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:</div><br
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div style=""><p style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;">Even within civil society,
include only those sections of civil society that still use jargon like
neoliberal</p></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>As I said on another list recently, that
particular bit of jargon irritates me no end. In part because you'd hope
that some of us have at least a nodding familiarity with international
relations theory, given how much it relates to IG, and in IR theory the
term neoliberal means something quite different to its economic meaning.
Yet JNC members, in particular, tend to use the term like punctuation, with
no indication of any awareness of the
ambiguity. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>Cheers</div><div><span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div><div><br><blockquote
type="cite"><div><div style=""><div style=""><p
style="margin: 0px 0px 1em;">I suppose it is a mercy that
'evil capitalist running dogs' is out of fashion these days. <br>
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<div style=""><p
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10pt 0px;">On
November 19, 2014 2:52:03 PM Sivasubramanian M <<a
href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"
style="margin: 0 0 0 0.75ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left: 0.75ex;"><div
dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Dear
Guru,</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></div><blockquote
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"
class="gmail_quote"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">(You
(Guru) said: </div>WEF is a primarily group of big businesses. We have
seen the increasing danger to the ideals of the WSIS Declaration of
Principles from the activities of transnational corporations. Apart from
using/monetising our data for their commercial gains in
authorised/unauthorised/</span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial">illegitimate/illegal ways,
their unregulated work also is structuring our participation in the
information society in many unhealthy ways. Through Snowden we also
understand how many of them are in cahoots with the 5 eyes (USG+) on
extraordinary programme of global
surveillance</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div
class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif">If such as strong generalization of big
business is to be accepted as fair and valid, then all those who subscribe
to such a generalization may have to go back to the WSIS declarations and
summarily exclude Business as a Stakeholder group, and then declare that
Internet Governance ought to be a process with two stakeholder groups -
Government + Civil Society. No, no, on second thoughts I see your
reference to Snowden and USG+, so the Civil Society could exclude
Government from Internet Governance, and declare that Internet Governance
must be reinvented as a single stakeholder group process, with Civil
Society as the only stakeholder group. </font></div></div><div><div
class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div><div
class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default"
style="display:inline">Seriously, i</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="display:inline">f WSIS had committed to build a
"</div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">people-centred, inclusive and
development-oriented Information Society<div class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">", what happens to
inclusiveness and development with such a position on Big Business?
</div></span><br></font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div><div
class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif">And, why this hatred for big business? Most
progress in this world has happened because of enterprise, much more
because of business than because of Government. Granted, some of the
information technology big businesses have worked with Governments on
surveillance designs, and even there, we do not know how of much of such
cooperation came out of a desire for profit and how much of it was forced
by arm-twisting or by milder pressures in so many subtle and imaginative
ways. </font></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Irrespective
of how WEF's role has been articulated at the moment, it is a very
positive development to bring in the WEF<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">. </div></font></span><div
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"></div><span
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">WEF
participation suddenly expands business participation to a world of
business outside the IT sector, so WEF's attention to IG issues might
by itself act as a balancing influence within the corporate world, because
many of these Big Businesses are Internet "users"
themselves. <div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">Some
of these Big Businesses are possibly charitable in unknown ways. What is
needed here is strong support at the moment, and w</div></span><span
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">e could
</span><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline">eventually
</div><span
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">work towards a
greater balance across stakeholder groups. </span><div
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);display:inline"></div></div><div
class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div
dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy"
target="_blank">Sivasubramanian M</a></div><div
dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Guru <span
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Guru@itforchange.net"
target="_blank">Guru@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
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Dear Mawaki<br>
<br>
I would like to cite from two sources:<br>
<br>
A. WSIS Declaration of Principles -
<a href="http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/official/dop.html"
target="_blank">http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/official/dop.html</a>
(the very
first two clauses)<br>
<br>
1. We, the representatives of the peoples of the world*, *assembled
in Geneva from 10-12 December 2003 for the first phase of the World
Summit on the Information Society,* declare our common desire and
commitment to build a people-centred, inclusive and
development-oriented Information Society, where everyone can create,
access, utilize and share information and knowledge, enabling
individuals, communities and peoples to achieve their full potential
in promoting their sustainable development and improving their
quality of life, premised on the purposes and principles of the
Charter of the United Nations and respecting fully and upholding the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights.<br>
2. Our challenge* is to harness the potential of information and
communication technology to promote the development goals of the
Millennium Declaration, namely the eradication of extreme poverty
and hunger; achievement of universal primary education; promotion of
gender equality and empowerment of women; reduction of child
mortality; improvement of maternal health; to combat HIV/AIDS,
malaria and other diseases; ensuring environmental sustainability;
and development of global partnerships for development for the
attainment of a more peaceful, just and prosperous world. We also
reiterate our commitment to the achievement of sustainable
development and agreed development goals, as contained in the
Johannesburg Declaration and Plan of Implementation and the
Monterrey Consensus, and other outcomes of relevant United Nations
Summits.<br>
<br>
I now will cite from the WEF site -
<a href="http://www.weforum.org/our-members"
target="_blank">http://www.weforum.org/our-members</a><br>
<br>
Begin<br>
Our Members<br>
The World Economic Forum is a membership organization. Our Members
comprise 1,000 of the world’s top corporations, global enterprises
usually with more than US$ 5 billion in turnover. These enterprises
rank among the top companies within their industry and play a
leading role in shaping the future of their industry and region.
Some of our Member companies join the Forum’s Strategic and Industry
Partnership communities, which are designed to deepen their
engagement with the Forum’s events, project and initiatives. The
Forum’s Members are at the heart of all our activities.<br>
End<br>
<br>
It is clear that WEF is a primarily group of big businesses. We have
seen the increasing danger to the ideals of the WSIS Declaration of
Principles from the activities of transnational corporations. Apart
from using/monetising our data for their commercial gains in
authorised/unauthorised/illegitimate/illegal ways, their unregulated
work also is structuring our participation in the information
society in many unhealthy ways. Through Snowden we also understand
how many of them are in cahoots with the 5 eyes (USG+) on
extraordinary programme of global surveillance, which helps them in
their goals of political-economic domination / colonisation <br>
<br>
Participating in forums anchored in such a space will only
legitimise their power. I am clear that IGC should not participate
in the NMI.<br>
<br>
thanks and regards<br>
Guru<br>
<br>
Gurumurthy Kasinathan<br>
Director, IT for Change<br>
In Special Consultative Status with the United Nations ECOSOC<br>
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On Tuesday 18 November 2014 05:02 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">> Dear All,<br>
> <br>
> You must have heard a good deal about this by now, so I won't
repeat<br>
> the background details. In the middle of the night last
night, before<br>
> hitting the bed after a long and drawn out day playing
catch-up with<br>
> deadlines, I saw that Ian (chair of CSCG) forwarded the NMI<br>
> Transitional Committee's reply the CSCG enquiry. Basically,
they are<br>
> willing to let the CSCG vet CS candidates to be part of the
NMI<br>
> Coordination Council.<br>
> <br>
> Now the question before us is to get a feel of the membership
of CSCG<br>
> member entities as to whether to get involved in the NMI
process or<br>
> not. I believe this is the last step in the consultations
we've been<br>
> having (with NMI initiators, among ourselves at the CSCG and
with the<br>
> membership of our respective organizations.) After this we
should be<br>
> able to give a definite answer, formulate a definite position
about<br>
> our participation in the NMI process.<br>
> <br>
> So what do you think? Please get right to the point and be
brief.<br>
> State your preference for IGC Involvement or No involvement
and, if<br>
> you care to provide us with such, I would be grateful to you
if you<br>
> could keep your supporting argument in one short paragraph
(as we<br>
> just want to take the "temperature of the room" if you see
what I<br>
> mean.)<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your understanding. Best regards.<br>
> <br>
> Mawaki<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> </span><br>
<br>
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