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<DIV>Thanks Nnenna.</DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, it is disappointing when we cannot tolerate differences of
opinion.</DIV>
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<DIV>Anriette expressed respect for the JNC position, as have many others. It
would be good if this respect for differing opinions was reciprocated.</DIV>
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<DIV>The most substantial side effect for civil society discourse when someones
personal opinion is attacked rather than respected is that people stop
expressing themselves for fear of being attacked. It would be good if we
concentrated on issues and arguing points of view. And some voices have already
been silenced on this issue.</DIV>
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<DIV>We are not all going to agree on this one. But perhaps we can agree to
respect differences of opinion. </DIV>
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<DIV>Anriette has devoted the last 25 or so years of her life to building APC
as <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">“ an international network and
non profit organisation that wants everyone to have access to a free and open
internet to improve our lives and create a more just world</FONT>”. No, she is
not abandoning the pursuit of social justice.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=nnenna75@gmail.com
href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com">Nnenna Nwakanma</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=gurstein@gmail.com
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">michael gurstein</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=anriette@apc.org
href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">Anriette Esterhuysen</A> ; <A
title=anja@internetdemocracy.in href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in">Anja
Kovacs</A> ; <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">Governance</A> ; <A
title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">Best
Bits</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [bestbits] [governance] Whether to participate in
NETmundial Initiative - RFC</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Wow! This "new reality" called Civil Society is beginning to amaze me the
more. Because someone thinks "Let us give something a shot, it is not perfect,
but it is making an effort" then it is being construed as abandoning the pursuit
of social justice?<BR><BR></DIV>If there was a human being who fought for social
justice, it was Nelson Mandela. And it is him who said:<BR>"If you want to
make peace with your enemy, you have to work with your enemy. Then he becomes
your partner."<BR><BR></DIV>I will rest my case for
now<BR><BR></DIV>Nnenna<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:13 AM, michael gurstein <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
target=_blank>gurstein@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Anriette, I’m taking from your argument that because the NMI offers some
possibility, however remote for the advancement of human rights, you are
completely abandoning perhaps irrevocably, the pursuit of social
justice.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<A href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
target=_blank>bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net"
target=_blank>bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Anriette Esterhuysen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:18
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Anja Kovacs; Nnenna Nwakanma<BR><B>Cc:</B> Governance; Best
Bits<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [bestbits] [governance] Whether to participate in
NETmundial Initiative - RFC<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Dear all<BR><BR>I have been fairly silent on this
issue and APC is consulting our members about it at present. We have been
really busy in APC with project meetings, evaluations, planning, and also the
African School on IG, so apologies for not participating.<BR><BR>Anja, thanks
for asking for the view of Brazilian colleagues. I have also asked people off
list and thus far I get the sense that while there are concerns, there is also
a sense that it is worth giving the process a try.<BR><BR>I felt that the the
letter that Ian and the CSCG wrote was excellent, and I feel that having them
in place has put us in a stronger position. I also feel that JNC's
decision to not be part of the process is legitimate and clear.<BR><BR>I do
see the pros and cons of participation a bit differently from how Ian had put
them in an earlier message...perhaps not quite as 'black and white'.<BR><BR>My
feeling at this point is that some of the strong concerns we expressed at the
time of the NETmundial Initiative Launch in late August have actually been
addressed.<BR><BR>I don't particularly like the process... I would have liked
more transparency and consultation around the redesign of the process and its
mechanisms.<BR><BR>But I really do care about the NETmundial outcomes, and I
believe we should do our best to take it forward, to intergovernmental spaces,
at national level, and through the IGF. This might sound pretty naive to
many but I still believe that the only sustainable path to inclusive
democratic multistakeholder internet policy and regulation is through closer
connections between multistakeholder and intergovernmental processes and
mechanisms.<BR><BR>I am at the airport and about to board.. so should be
fast.<BR><BR>My view would be that civil society participates in the NMI with
the following:<BR><BR>- a set of indicators and criteriat that are important
to us<BR>- a limited timeframe <BR>- agreed milestones including for a point
at which we assess whether we continue or not<BR><BR><BR>My proposal would be
try and make the process work, and to link it closely to the IGF and for civil
society e.g. at Best Bits meeting to get together prior to the 2015 IGF and
then to assess whether our particpation has had impact, whether we have been
able to influence the process and whether it meets the criteria important to
us.<BR><BR>This is a risk of course. And we could legitimise a process that
turns out not to be worthy of it. But I think it is a risk worth taking,
and we can always withdraw.<BR><BR>Not trying is a greater risk as it could
result in the most progressive, to date, agreement on principles that respect
human rights inclusive processes in internet governance simply fizzling
out. I think that backtracking in that way on what we all achieved
through the NETmundial would be a huge loss to changing how we think about,
and implement, internet
governance.<BR><BR>Anriette<BR><BR></SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 19/11/2014 21:59, Anja Kovacs
wrote:<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Dear all,<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>A question. If any of the Brazilians on these lists could
perhaps shed some light on why their government has decided to support this
initiative, and how they see it, that could possibly be very helpful? I have
had great respect for Brazil and its work in the past, and can't help but
wonder whether I'm missing something here.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>For the moment, however, knowing what I know, I am still
not in favour of civil society networks giving this their stamp of approval
(though as earlier, I also don't have an issue with individual organisations
who want to participate to continue doing so and report back to the wider
community). A WEF-ICANN alliance, even if backed by the Brazilian
government, is just not the place I want to see emerge as a new power centre
in Internet governance - even less so as they have already given themselves
some fixed seats.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I've in particular been wondering what this selection and
committee means seeing that some of the initiatives the NMI would "foster"
clearly are already on the way. For example, I (and I know many others on
this list too) have already been contacted by the Governance Lab at NYU to
give feedback on a proposed NETmundial Solutions map that would be developed
under the flag of the NMI. It's difficult not to feel like the only thing we
and others would be doing is simply to rubberstamp things that would happen
anyway - but because we okay them, somehow the structure and the initiatives
it gives birth to gain a legitimacy that they would not have had without. An
unwise use of our power, I would say (that they would go ahead without us
anyway is something that a representative from the WEF made clear enough to
me in an informal conversation in October. Some of the individual
initiative, such as that map, might have value, but about the structure as a
whole, I am not so certain) <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I would feel far more comfortable if we would instead
start exploring the constructive ways of going ahead with our own work
suggested by Amelia and others. I would love to hear more about what they're
thinking, and how we could operationalize this ourselves and take it
forward.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks and best,<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Anja<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 19 November 2014 01:12, Nnenna Nwakanma <<A
href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target=_blank>nnenna75@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Dear Governance and Best Bits
listers, and especially African Civil Society members
here.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">My opinion is that Civil
Society should participate. It is okay to table our "fears" and let NMI know
that our participation may be withdrawn if XYZ is not met.<BR><BR>I think it
is fine for certain networks to say "No", but in Africa, I dont think we
should miss out.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">NMI may also just make a
public call for CS who wants to participate. From the launch, I
already saw that some CS persons were already very interested in the
NMI.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I see it is okay if one
network or list or platform decides NOT to participate but we
cannot ask others not to.<BR><BR>Me, I am in favour of Governance and BB
lists nominating people. And at the same time, saying that it is important
for African S to participate.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>All for
now<BR><BR><SPAN>Nnenna</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS
I The Global Journal <<A href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net"
target=_blank>jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks for your email.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Looking after pathologies is certainly a noble cause,
but as we both do not belong to the medical corpus, maybe it would simply
be wise to terminate this, and cool down a bit. Even though we are in real
politics.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Go after the arguments put on the table is probably of
better effect and impact. <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>What I wanted to say using quotes from an array of
observers or participants is that the initiative has more than a troubling
set of definitions, expectations and leading to an overall confusion. It
looks more or less like "un chèque en blanc" to illegitimate grouping of a
wealthy elite (the three players of NMI have deep pockets, and friends
with deeper pockets). I am not even trying to clarify the obvious tactics
behind all their gesture. I had an intermezzo as a consultant for 10 years
in my life, and can more than easily read the partition behind all of that
smoking screen. In the army, you always call some troopers from the
"génie" when you need a screen of smoke to cross a street, a bridge or a
simple line. No, let's stay on what is at stake such
as<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- why part of civil society in Busan accepted the fact
that the US refused to discuss mass surveillance?<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- why is the IGF not the best bet for civil society to
keep maturing and growing?<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- why is encryption, I know EFF is working hard on this
topic, insufficiently at the center of the IG debate? Isn't
encryption part of the mass surveillance issue? So then why to please the
US, in Sao Paulo, then in Busan by refusing to really go after it? Mass
surveillance has nothing to do with IG they told
us.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- why civil society not more vocal on the Google Tour
against the EU decision to protect personal data, considering rightly in
my view, that search engines are touching at personal data, beyond the
simple links they assembled in their result pages? This is a real good
debate for CS.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- why not to discuss the IETF and its roles in the IG?
More important than IANA for example? <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- why CS seems deprived of imagination and innovative
ideas when it comes to create a new coordinating body/system, as the ICANN
is saying the political aspects of IG is beyond its mandate? How can we
help ourselves to have these ideas popping out of CS minds? Looking at all
the NGOs we are currently ranking, I am positively impressed with their
innovative abilities, much more powerful than classical corps. They also
create more "values".<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I am not naive, and have probably a few answers in
mind. Nevertheless, CS should really act differently. The NMI story is
relevant of the weakness that anyone can perceive among CS, and this is
not to blame JNC or anyone else. A leadership crisis wrote someone
today.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Remember the preparation of Net Mundial? Did the ICANN
handle CS in a satisfactory fashion? Haven't we seen the trailer? We had
to twist their arm every minute to get info, to get principles, to simply
get it not that bad. Why is it so difficult for the 'nice guys" not to go
directly after the right ideas, proposals and suggestions when launching
an open, honest, transparent debate? Instead they keep creating distrust
with their committees, high level panel, advisory boards... Trust is
critical. "Please energize me! should we all cry. We are all losing.
Terrifying, I would say.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>So why don't you and other leaders of CS decide to
meet, have a debate and launch a true CS initiative, calling governments,
citizens and corporations to join in a effort to rebalance the growing
asymmetry we live in since the mid-nineties? In the face of History, and
our fellow citizens, we are failing, because CS is not united. To do that
you do not need any WEF. You only need to trust, share, and confront the
realities that are taking away our rights. This is what should be done,
now, instead of wasting our time and little money to debate about the
comfortable sofas of the WEF.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Somehow BB is a failure, as it has not delivered to its
own mandate. JNC is not getting more isolated, it is growing and reaching
more and more people. We should not care about that. We should care about
having a collective action that would oblige governments, corps and the
current mandarins to take more progressive steps. Multistakeholderism when
it comes to convene and consult many participants is certainly nice. This
has often been done, long before we began to put in our mouth the MS
narrative. When it comes to make decisions at least on the public policy
level, MS simply doesn't work. If the coders had to go through MS to make
decision, they would have simply gone nowhere. Only a few guys fixing
better than other few guys technical issues doesn't equate a political
model. It could work, but then it would lead to some social disaster, a
disruption that would unleash violence.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>JNC has no monopole of ethics, but because we are poor
enough, our bias is somehow limited. We are paid by no government, no
corporation, no barons. We are simple citizens, with a profound democratic
concern (to avoid another asymmetric wars), and we are ready to go into
rationales as long as we are not characterized as psychotics or
lunatics.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>There is no way that we can really have a strong impact
as civil society participants if we do not go after unity. And we all
agree that we should pay more respect to each others, as long as we do not
have hidden agenda, and gentle philanthropes putting their money in the
debate. That would be fair.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>JC<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Le 18 nov. 2014 à 17:55, Jeremy Malcolm a écrit
:<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Nov 18, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I
The Global Journal <<A href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net"
target=_blank>jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I leave to Norbert co-convenor at JNC to answer your
first email. On a personal note, I would appreciate you to elaborate
about the "dumping on civil society colleagues" you are referring
to,<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Within the next few days I’m going to write a separate
blog post about this at <A href="http://igfwatch.org/"
target=_blank>igfwatch.org</A>, because JNC’s pathologies are off-topic
for this list.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>The WEF/ICANN/CGIbr project is not in lack of clarity.
If I do listen to non JNC members:<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- Wall Street Journal reporter: "The NetMundial wants
to spread Internet Governance more evenly across the developing world".
(Ask Drew Fitzgerald about the source for that understanding of what is
the WIB Initiative)<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Which is roughly opposite to what JNC is
saying.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><U></U><U></U></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- McCarthy at The Register: "ISOC has blasted efforts
from some quarters to create a "UN Security
Council”<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>A fatuous analogy, do you take it at face
value?<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>- Eileen Donahoe, ... Virgilio Almeida, ... Richard
Samans, ... Fadi Chehadé: ...<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>None of these statements support the characterisation
of the Initiative as in your letter as “being ’the’ mechanism for global
[Internet] governance”.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Based on these official and public statement, I can
only read JNC statement as an interesting analysis and agree with JNC
reluctance to participate or endorse such following-up (hijacking might be
to blunt) of the NetMundial meeting. Nor the WEF, ICANN, or CGIbr are
owners of what was stated ultimately in Sao Paulo, with all due reserves
by different participants.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I’ve also said, and maintain, that I regard the
NETmundial Initiative (particularly the naming thereof) to be a hijacking
of the NETmundial meeting. On this much we agree.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>So instead of trying to grab a comfortable seat in
that convoy ... should for once, Civil Society ... acknowledges the
serious concerns seen in the making of, and in the diverse objectives
presented by the WEF, ICANN and
CGIbr.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Ian has taking a more neutral position, but for my part
personally I certainly have (<A
href="http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/netmundial-initiative-takes-a-top-down-approach-to-implementing-the-netmundial-principles"
target=_blank>http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/netmundial-initiative-takes-a-top-down-approach-to-implementing-the-netmundial-principles</A>).
What prompted my last email was not that JNC opposes the NETmundial
Initiative, but that it has to do this by impugning the motives of other
civil society groups and falsely attributing them with their endorsement
of the Initiative.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Also for the avoidance of doubt, nobody else endorsed
my rant which was sent in a personal capacity (though I have subsequently
received, off list, two emails in support, as well as one
against).<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>By the way, could you explain us (subscribers of the
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<P class=MsoNormal>I do not have time to respond to the rest of your mail
right now because I am speaking at a conference today and will be boarding
a flight a few hours later. But I write this brief response just
because you suggested in most recent mail that I was ignoring you - I’m
not. Anyway, others can respond to the balance of your questions
rather than me monopolising the
conversation.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Jeremy Malcolm<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Senior Global Policy Analyst<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Electronic Frontier Foundation<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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target=_blank>https://eff.org</A><BR><A href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
target=_blank>jmalcolm@eff.org</A> <U></U><U></U></P>
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