<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello everyone</div><div>What are the possible options. Participate or not.</div><div>What are advantages and benefits.</div><div>I think the CS must be present.</div><div>It is my recommendation</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-18 17:57 GMT-05:00 parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <font face="Verdana">I am strongly against IGC joining the
      NetMundial Initiative. <br>
      <br>
      The reasons for this have been argued earlier here, and also
      contained in this statement  
      <a href="http://justnetcoalition.org/NMI-neoliberal-caravan" target="_blank">http://justnetcoalition.org/NMI-neoliberal-caravan</a> . <br>
      <br>
      Louis makes the argument rather clear and pithily. <br>
      <br>
      I have seen two kinds of logics forwarded by those who wish to
      join the NMI process, which I paraphrase as follows:<br>
      <br>
      (1) It is an important, perhaps central, global IG process, and if
      CS does not join, it will lose out<br>
      <br>
      (2) It is not such a central global IG process <i>whereby</i> it
      is not of of huge import or significance that the World Economic
      Forum (against which incidentally the World Social Forum shaped
      us, as the more natural home of global civil society) has a
      central driving role in it..<br>
      <br>
      The two arguments appear contradictory to me. Therefore the
      overall case to join the initiative is rather weak and
      unsustainable in my view. <br>
      <br>
      If IGC, which came out of the umbrella CS grouping of the WSIS
      process, joins a WEF driven initiative, which is posited as a
      central global governance space, where 'solutions' to key public
      policy issues will be sought, it would militate against its
      historical and current legitimacy. It will be a very bad day for
      the civil society.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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      parminder <br>
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    <div>On Wednesday 19 November 2014 02:03 AM,
      Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:<br>
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      <p>Merci Louis !</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>Your argument is short ... and fairly convincing ! Therefore I
        do share your logical conclusion.</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>Warmest regards</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>Jean-Louis Fullsack</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>PS Will Eurolinc participate in the ITU WSIS+10 Review of
        Progress Made (sic) 3-day meeting next week ?</p>
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      <blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:#ff0000 2px solid">> Message du 18/11/14 18:43<br>
        > De : "Louis Pouzin (well)" <a href="mailto:pouzin@well.com" target="_blank"><pouzin@well.com></a><br>
        > A : <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">"governance@lists.igcaucus.org"</a>
        <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank"><governance@lists.igcaucus.org></a>, "chlebrum ."
        <a href="mailto:chlebrum@gmail.com" target="_blank"><chlebrum@gmail.com></a><br>
        > Copie à : "Baudouin Schombe"
        <a href="mailto:baudouin.schombe@gmail.com" target="_blank"><baudouin.schombe@gmail.com></a><br>
        > Objet : Re: [governance] URGENT: Last call for feedback on
        CS participation in NETmundial Initiative<br>
        > <br>
        >
        <div dir="ltr">Hi all,<br>
          >
          <div><br>
            > Quite obviously if WEF is interested in CS joining in
            NMI it's because it helps WEF interests, which are well
            known to side with power and money. The idea of influencing
            WEF for CS interests sounds like fairy tale. CS would be
            trapped in accepting to appear supporting WEF interests, and
            would lose credibility.<br>
            > <br>
            > Therefore I think CS should not participate in the NMI.<br>
            > <br>
            > Louis.<br>
            >
            <div class="gmail_extra">- - -<br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM,
                chlebrum . <span><<a href="mailto:chlebrum@gmail.com" target="_blank">chlebrum@gmail.com</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                    <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">"<span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">It</span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">looks like</span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">copineries</span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">and </span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">friendships</span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">circles."</span></div>
                    <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.7273px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">That's all... and it's a
                        pity!</span></div>
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                            <div style="font-size:small;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#660000">Chantal
                                Lebrument</font></div>
                            <div style="font-size:small;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#660000">Courriel:
                                <a href="mailto:lebrument@open-root.eu" target="_blank">c</a><a href="mailto:hlebrum@gmail.com" target="_blank">hlebrum@gmail.com</a><br>
                                > </font></div>
                            <div style="font-size:small;font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#660000">Mob:
                                <a href="tel:%2B33%206%208369%205460" target="_blank">+33 6 8369 5460</a></font></div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-18 14:55
                            GMT+01:00 Baudouin Schombe <span><<a href="mailto:baudouin.schombe@gmail.com" target="_blank">baudouin.schombe@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr"><span><span> </span></span><span><span>My
                                    question</span> <span>becomes</span>
                                  <span>increasingly</span> <span>growing</span><span>:</span><br>
                                  > <span>1.</span> <span>What
                                    happens to the</span> <span>NetMundial</span><span>?</span><br>
                                  > <span>2.</span> <span>NetMundial</span>
                                  <span>initiative</span> <span>is</span>
                                  <span>different from</span> <span>NetMundial</span>
                                  <span>launched in Brazil</span><span>?</span><br>
                                  > <span>3. All</span> <span>these</span>
                                  <span>groupings of</span> <span>civil</span>
                                  <span>society are</span> <span>more</span>
                                  <span>partisan</span> <span>and</span>
                                  <span>exclusive selections</span><span>.</span>
                                  <span>It</span> <span>looks like</span>
                                  <span>copineries</span> <span>and</span>
                                  <span>friendships</span> <span>circles.</span><br>
                                  > <span>I think we should</span> <span>take
                                    into account national</span> <span>and</span>
                                  <span>regional realities.</span> <span>Whether
                                    we talk</span> <span>or</span> <span>IGF</span>
                                  <span>NetMundial</span> <span>we need</span>
                                  <span>from</span> <span>considerations
                                    of</span> <span>each country</span>
                                  <span>because everything</span> <span>is
                                    based on</span> <span>some</span> <span>national
                                    issues</span> <span>is</span> <span>our
                                    continental</span> <span>location</span><span>.</span><br>
                                  > <span>All these</span> <span>debates
                                    within</span> <span>civil society</span>
                                  <span>suggests</span> <span>a crisis
                                    of</span> <span>leadership</span> <span>with
                                    all</span> <span>its consequences.</span><br>
                                  > <span>What</span> <span>we want</span>
                                  <span>exactly</span><span>?</span><br>
                                  > <span>With representation from</span>
                                  <span>civil society in</span> <span>UNCTAD,</span>
                                  <span>there has been</span> <span>exclusion;</span>
                                  <span>for</span> <span>MAG,</span> <span>so
                                    many</span> <span>asctuces</span> <span>and</span>
                                  <span>in the current situation</span>
                                  <span>for</span> <span>NetMundial</span>
                                  <span>again and again</span> <span>discriminatory</span>
                                  <span>policies.</span><br>
                                  > <span>Ultimately</span><span>,
                                    whatever the</span> <span>plurality</span>
                                  <span>of civil society</span><span>,
                                    should</span> <span>understand that</span>
                                  <span>many</span> <span>plurality of</span>
                                  <span>concepts</span> <span>also</span>
                                  <span>need?</span></span></div>
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                                >
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                                    <div>2014-11-18 12:32 GMT+01:00
                                      Mawaki Chango <span><<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                          <div style="font-size:small">Dear
                                            All,</div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small"><br>
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                                          <div style="font-size:small">You
                                            must have heard a good deal
                                            about this by now, so I
                                            won't repeat the background
                                            details. In the middle of
                                            the night last night, before
                                            hitting the bed after a long
                                            and drawn out day playing
                                            catch-up with deadlines, I
                                            saw that Ian (chair of CSCG)
                                            forwarded the NMI
                                            Transitional Committee's
                                            reply the CSCG enquiry.
                                            Basically, they are willing
                                            to let the CSCG vet CS
                                            candidates to be part of the
                                            NMI Coordination Council.</div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small"><br>
                                            ></div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small">Now
                                            the question before us is to
                                            get a feel of the membership
                                            of CSCG member entities as
                                            to whether to get involved
                                            in the NMI process or not. I
                                            believe this is the last
                                            step in the consultations
                                            we've been having (with NMI
                                            initiators, among ourselves
                                            at the CSCG and with the
                                            membership of our respective
                                            organizations.) After this
                                            we should be able to give a
                                            definite answer, formulate a
                                            definite position about our
                                            participation in the NMI
                                            process. </div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small"><br>
                                            ></div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small">So
                                            what do you think? Please
                                            get right to the point and
                                            be brief. State your
                                            preference for IGC
                                            Involvement or No
                                            involvement and, if you care
                                            to provide us with such, I
                                            would be grateful to you if
                                            you could keep your
                                            supporting argument in one
                                            short paragraph (as we just
                                            want to take the
                                            "temperature of the room" if
                                            you see what I mean.) </div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small"><br>
                                            ></div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small">Thank
                                            you for your understanding.</div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small">Best
                                            regards.</div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small"><br>
                                            ></div>
                                          <div style="font-size:small">Mawaki </div>
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