<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Thanks Deirdre for the explanation, <br><br>However, no matter what other opinion, we must be conscious of the moment and relate it to the reality of things.<br><br></div>I am convinced that Arsene "alert" is not unfounded but a note for careful decision making, so no threat meant as far as I can deduce.<br><br></div>Therefore, I would like to submit that there is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong in us advocating inclusion of disability colleagues in the MAG in real sense of it, after all we say its a multi-stakeholder, yet the question here remain whether we have made the multi-stakeholderism a reality or are we still guessing with semantics?<br><br></div>Posterity will be on our side for seeing enough reasons to accommodate this request, after all, for instance, those of us who have worked closely with Judy Okite, know her capability when it comes to work despite all odds. I am sure those Ginger Prague mentioned earlier have been as hardworking as Judy among our pears for them to merit such mentions and recognition.<br><br></div>So, our decision must reflect the reality of things with purpose driven. If there are other request for inclusion as feared by Arsene, then when we get to the bridge, let us cross it, but for now. This is proposal is imperative.<br><br>Goodevening from Lagos<br></div></div>Remmy<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Deirdre Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Bad choice of words perhaps :-(<div>The concerns I have heard seem to focus on the possibility that if one group is given special status as regards representation then several other groups may ask for the same facility. If you look back in this thread Arsene on 14th was the first person to express this concern.</div><div>I think I used "dangerous" (and please note the "...") because the stability of the MAG is very important. Therefore it is essential that the justification for the request should be quite clear and offer no threat to that stability.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 November 2014 13:32, Remmy Nweke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear Deirdre,<br></div>So far your submissions have been engaging and interesting, but I did not understand the aspect of "dangerous" precedent.<br><br></div><div>Is it that our support for recognition of persons with disabilities in the MAG is a dangerous step or that it would amount to that in the future? If yes, why?<br><br></div><div>We must have at the back of our mind that issues must be treated on merit, of course, I think this subject herein is merited.<br></div><div><br></div>However, I would appreciate more light/explanation before I can ask further questions.<br></div><div>Thanks<br></div>Remmy<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Deirdre Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">My thought is "go for it". <div>However I think it will be necessary to establish that "people with disabilities" are a stakeholder group, rather than an issue. Ginger and I spent an hour discussing that last night without reaching any resolution. This conversation began because of Lorena's suggestion to institutionalise the inclusion of someone representative of "the youth" as happened fortuitously this year with the selection of Bianca for the MAG. There are other interests which might also feel the desirability of being given an "own representative". Can we present a strong enough argument to persuade the MAG in its wisdom to support the creation of a somewhat "dangerous" precedent?</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 November 2014 11:07, Judy Okite <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:judyokite@gmail.com" target="_blank">judyokite@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Thank you All, <br><br>for your contributions and support, I highly appreciate it!<br><br></div>Indeed to have the persons with disabilities voices and concerns raised in these forums is important, but the utmost importance is to have them involved, be part of the process, be part of the team. <br><br></div>Could we have this in signatures and forward it to the secretariat to have this discussed as part of AOB in the December meeting? <br><br></div>De, whats your thought? <br><br></div>Kind Regards, <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><h1 style="margin:0px"><font size="1"><i><span style="font-weight:normal">'Chance Favors the prepared mind'</span></i></font><font><i> </i><span style="font-weight:normal">-<font size="1"> Louis Pasteur</font></span></font><br></h1></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Remmy Nweke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Let me add my voice to Deidre's narration.<br>Yes we often forget those with disabilities and I think now we are reminded of it, thus imperative we all support the call for inclusion. May be pass that as a resolution to make or have a rep from them at part of MAG process.<br>Thus should also apply to member nations too that way we will no longer forget.<br>Nice day all.<br>Remmy Nweke<br>@ITRealms<br>A member of DigitalSENSE <br><br>Sent from my Windows Phone</div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">From: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">Deirdre Williams</a></span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Sent: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">14/11/2014 15:01</span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">To: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">Internet Governance</a></span><span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Subject: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">[governance] People with disabilities</span><br><br></span></div></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Let me add to Lorena's suggestion of a youth category, (made on the Bestbits list this morning) the need to have a constant voice for people with disabilities. Judy Okite has provided this for the last few years, but she has finished her term of appointment. She made this suggestion herself at the last MAG meeting in Istanbul. Since one billion people around the world suffer from some disability, and the Internet can offer considerable relief for them, they are the holders of a very significant "stake".</div><div>Sadly it is easy to forget if one does not suffer from a disability oneself, which is why it is so important to have a dedicated voice for these stakeholders in all such groups.</div><div>Deirdre</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979</div>
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