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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">Jnc is old style propaganda so
my money is on disingenuous rather than naive </p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">And yes, I have noted much the
same irony dressed up in seemingly progressive jargon <br>
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<p
style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10pt 0;">On
29 October 2014 8:48:15 am David Cake <dave@difference.com.au> wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"
style="margin: 0 0 0 0.75ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left: 0.75ex;">Indeed. <div><br></div><div>The
JNC seem very upset that the US has a fair bit of soft power within the
Internet governance world, largely as a result of its history of having
invented the Internet, having had a historically very successful ICT
industry, etc. </div><div><br></div><div>Now, I'm all for criticising
the USG for its hypocritical stances on IG related matters (promoting MSism
with one hand, policy laundering the demands of the IP lobby in the TTPA
etc with the other). And I'm all for removing the historical special role
of the USG in the IANA contract etc. But soft power isn't just about the
government, but about cultural and political values. The US government may
be hypocritical and on occasion somewhat corrupted, but besides capitalism,
the cultural and political values of the US include democracy, freedom of
speech, etc. I'm not claiming they are consistently manifested, but... it
does seem odd that a group that so consistently talks about democracy in
its rhetoric, is so keen to decrease the soft power of a democratic nation,
in favour of the ITU, a forum in which (as it gives equal status to states
regardless of their form of government) nations that are either explicitly
undemocratic (KSA, China) or weaker (to the point of lip service only) in
their commitment to democracy (Russia) are relatively far
stronger. </div><div><br></div><div>It isn't that I object to the
democratic rhetoric of the JNC per se - it is just that somehow, opposition
to capitalism always seems to be a more important value to them in
practice, and empowering nations that are hostile to democracy always seems
a price the JNC are willing (even keen) to pay in order to oppose US
corporations. Of course the JNC are welcome to espouse any ideological
position they wish - but the constant highlighting of democracy in JNC
rhetoric is either naive or disingenuous when the only practical positions
the JNC ever takes are to revert to forms of governance that give more
influence to undemocratic
states. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br><div><div>On
28 Oct 2014, at 11:36 pm, Jeremy Malcolm <<a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>> wrote:</div><br
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta
http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div
dir="auto"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I
stopped reading once the straw man came out:</span><div class="page"
title="Page 2"><div class="layoutArea"><div class="column"><p><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"…decision making by self-selected elites, otherwise known by the name “multistakeholder governance”. Centrally, this position advocates an 'equal footing' multistakeholder model for global governance of the Internet, whereby global corporations are given the same level of power as governments in deciding public policy issues."</span></p></div></div></div><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">-- </span></div><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Jeremy
Malcolm</span></div><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Senior Global Policy
Analyst</span></div><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Electronic Frontier
Foundation</span></div><font><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a
href="https://eff.org/">https://eff.org</a><br><a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" x-apple-data-detectors="true"
x-apple-data-detectors-type="link"
x-apple-data-detectors-result="3">jmalcolm@eff.org</a></span></font><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tel: <a
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161</span></div><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">:: Defending Your Rights
in the Digital World ::</span></div></div><div><br>On Oct 28, 2014, at 3:34
AM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear
all</span><br><span></span><br><span>The new JNC statement
"Governing the global Internet – is the status</span><br><span>quo the only option?"
is available at</span><br><span></span><br><span><a
href="http://justnetcoalition.org/sites/default/files/ITU_PP_2014_Stmt2.pdf">http://justnetcoalition.org/sites/default/files/ITU_PP_2014_Stmt2.pdf</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Greetings,</span><br><span>Norbert</span><br><span>co-convenor,
Just Net Coalition</span><br><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote
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