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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">The too much
effort tends to produce acute  verbal diarrhea to be frank, or as they
keep saying in game of thrones, 'words are wind' </p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black; font-size: 10pt;">Crudities
aside, I have long looked for places and groups that actually take
presentation decks and position papers, and turn them into on the ground
implementations. I keep not finding them except in very rare cases. <br>
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<p
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12 October 2014 4:44:37 pm Guru <Guru@ITforChange.net> wrote:</p>
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   <div class="moz-cite-prefix">slight change<br>
      <br>
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        "multistakeholderist constipation when too much effort is being
        applied to ensure too little useful output."<br>
        <br>
        Guru<br>
        <br>
      </span>On Sunday 12 October 2014 12:29 PM, michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not
            to speak of multistakeholderist constipation when too much
            effort is being applied for too little useful
output.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
<b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Matthew Shears<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 12, 2014 8:09 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>;
Ian Peter<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] [IP] WEF says it plans
                to build multilateral architecture to govern
internet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Lovely Ian and
          so true!<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 10/11/2014 6:36 PM, Ian Peter
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">a
                    beautiful example of multistakeholder coagulation –
                    a state that arrives when too much spin is
applied.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"
                            title="suresh@hserus.net">Suresh
                            Ramasubramanian</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                          Sunday, October 12, 2014 11:37
AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                            title="parminder@itforchange.net">parminder</a>
                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
                           
title="governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
                          ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com"
                            title="wjdrake@gmail.com">William Drake</a>
                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                          Re: [governance] [IP] WEF says it plans to
                          build multilateral architecture to govern
                          internet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                     
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks
                      Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">And
                      this is one of those rare occasions where I find
                      myself agreeing with Parminder.  So thanks
                      Parminder too.  Really quick work.<br>
                      <br>
                      --srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
                      On 11-Oct-2014, at 22:18, parminder <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                       
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                         
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On
                          Saturday 11 October 2014 09:49 PM, William
                          Drake wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                         
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi
                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                           
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                           
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
                            ill-chosen wording has been pointed out to
                            the WEF and the text has been
changed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                       
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
                        Real quick stuff, i'd say, from both sides :) 
                        .... parminder<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                         
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It
                          now says "a multistakeholder endeavour to
                          stimulate more cross-industry and
                          cross-ministry strategic dialogue on ways to
                          strengthen multistakeholder Internet
                          governance ‎and cooperation.”  This is a
                          separate track of activity from the
                          NMI/platform for collaborative
projects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                         
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                         
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.weforum.org/news/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2015-address-new-global-context?news=page">http://www.weforum.org/news/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2015-address-new-global-context?news=page</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                         
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                         
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                             
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On
                              Oct 10, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Suresh
                              Ramasubramanian <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                               
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
                            <br>
                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                               
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"Broad
                                based" and "multilateral" seem to be a
                                contradiction in terms, though possibly
                                this is from a group less concerned with
                                the finer points of igov jargon than
                                most of the existing actors are? 
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                               
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                               
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">They
                                do talk about gender parity, which will
                                be interesting on how they plan to work
                                this into an iGov model.<br>
                                <br>
                                --srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                               
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
                                Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
                                 
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> "Dave
                                Farber via ip" <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                 
href="mailto:ip@listbox.com">ip@listbox.com</a>><br>
                                <b>Date:</b> 11 October 2014 00:49:59
                                IST<br>
                                <b>To:</b> "ip" <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                 
href="mailto:ip@listbox.com">ip@listbox.com</a>><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> <b>[IP] WEF says it
                                  plans to build multilateral
                                  architecture to govern internet</b><br>
                                <b>Reply-To:</b> <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                 
href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                 
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">----------
                                  Forwarded message ----------<br>
                                  From: "Ram Mohan" <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                   
href="mailto:rmohan@afilias.info">rmohan@afilias.info</a>><br>
                                  Date: Oct 10, 2014 2:48 PM<br>
                                  Subject: WEF says it plans to build
                                  multilateral architecture to govern
                                  internet<br>
                                  To: "Dave Farber" <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                   
href="mailto:dave@farber.net">dave@farber.net</a>><br>
                                  Cc: "Ram Mohan" <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                   
href="mailto:rmohan@afilias.info">rmohan@afilias.info</a>><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                 
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dave,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                 
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Here
                                  is a piece from a <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.weforum.org/news/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2015-address-new-global-context?news=page"
                                    target="_blank">press release</a> by
                                  the World Economic Forum (WEF)
                                  regarding their plan to “build a
                                  broad-based, multilateral global
                                  architecture for governing the
                                  internet” that might be interesting to
                                  the IP readership.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                     
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
                                       <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                 
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Excerpt
                                  below:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                 
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">“The
                                  Annual Meeting 2015 will provide a
                                  platform for over 50 initiatives that
                                  are currently being led by the Forum,
                                  with the aim of contributing positive,
                                  transformative change to the global
                                  agenda, as well as those of industry,
                                  business and the world’s regions.
                                  These include a public-private
                                  initiative to help achieve zero net
                                  tropical deforestation caused by key
                                  agricultural commodities by 2020; an
                                  endeavour to build a broad-based,
                                  multilateral global architecture for
                                  governing the internet; and the
                                  Forum’s Gender Parity Taskforces,
                                  which work with governments worldwide
                                  to improve economic opportunity for
                                  the female half of the
population.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <pre>Matthew Shears<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Director - Global Internet Policy and Human
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        <pre>Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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        <pre>+ 44 771 247 2987<o:p></o:p></pre>
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