<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Don't need to be dogmatic Carlos.<div><br></div><div>The UN system is one of the most flexible and adaptive one can dream of. It is a very welcoming space for innovative governance thinking.</div><div><br></div><div>So it can be a UN spin-off as we have many interesting examples, it can be an entity such as a PPP with a contract to the UN, it can be many things within a UN convention or framework, giving it a special status. So instead of rushing to far too early conclusions, it would rather be just appropriate to mention. I am sure DiploFoundation or Just_Net can bring some good ideas as well.</div><div>- to transform the IGF mandate into a permanent formal body</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(emphasizing the shift from an UNDESA project to a more "serious" thing)</div><div>- to make sure that difference sources of funding are able to provide the IGF a sustainable and efficient action</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>(to make sure that all funding good will is welcome, including a Montevideo I* one or an ICANN direct support (for helping to shape the public policy decision making of the IG)...</div><div>- to think of what formal status can it be given to for the IGF to have a democratic multistakeholder governance and structure.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>( to keep track and spirit of the NetMundial progress)</div><div><br></div><div>Along these simple lines, I don't see any betrayal of the NetMundial final statement (and comments).</div><div><br></div><div>We might not need "to request". We might be much more efficient - if CS act with unanimity, i.e. being very strong in its stance - if the statement goes like : All CS participating to the 2014 IGF commend unanimously the possibility for the UN to envision the IGF as ....</div><div><br></div><div>and a less formal and directive: </div><div>"<i>we request the UN Secretary General to establish the IGF as a permanent multistakeholder forum. We also request that the UN Secretary General work with the IGF and its stakeholders to strengthen its structure and processes.</i>"<br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Optima; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; 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<br><div><div>Le 1 sept. 2014 à 16:00, Carlos A. Afonso a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>If it has to become a formal body, I would not like to see it becoming a sort of UN agency. If it is not a UN agency, funding should come from other sources.<br><br>--c.a.<br><br>On 09/01/2014 09:27 AM, parminder wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">I support the call.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It should be accompanied with the UN providing permanent institutional<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">funding for it. Nothing can be permanent and stable without clear and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">stable source of funding.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">BTW, the IGF is right now a 'project' of UNDESA, and projects normally<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">are not permanent. For being permanent it has to be an incorporated body<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">with institutional funding.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Anne, in the CSTD WG on IGF improvements, IT for Change and some<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">developing country asked for a part of domain names tax collected by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ICANN to be dedicated to IGF funding. This has to be done in a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">statutory/ constitutional manner and not as ad hoc, upto ICANN, measure.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">parminder<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Monday 01 September 2014 02:13 PM, Anne Jellema wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Actually the point about stable and predictable funding - and I would<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">add to that, transparent and accountable financial management - seems<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">just as important as (and closely linked to) the permanent mandate.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">WF continues to advocate that a % of gTLD revenues be set aside for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this purpose, as well as for other public benefit purposes, but if it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">is considered unwise to mix ICANN issues with IGF issues then perhaps<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">it's enough just to reference the need for expanded, predictable<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">funding that is transparently accounted for.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">cheers<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Anne<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Eduardo Bertoni<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:ebertoni@alumni.gwu.edu">ebertoni@alumni.gwu.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:ebertoni@alumni.gwu.edu">mailto:ebertoni@alumni.gwu.edu</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I support Joana´s idea re taking into account what the NetMundial<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> final declaration says. I would only add that the "next" IGF<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> should do better in linking its agenda and wok with the regional<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> IGFs.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> e<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Eduardo<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Joana Varon<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com">joana@varonferraz.com</a> <<a href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com">mailto:joana@varonferraz.com</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Agree.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> At NETMundial final statement, this is what we have on IGF:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> "There is a need for a strengthened Internet Governance Forum<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> (IGF). Important recommendations to that end were made by the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> UN CSTD working group on IGF improvements. It is suggested<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> that these recommendations will be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> implemented by the end of 2015. Improvements should include<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> inter-alia:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> a.Improved outcomes: Improvements can be implemented including<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> creative<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ways of providing outcomes/recommendations and the analysis of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> policy options;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> b.Extending the IGF mandate beyond five-year terms;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> c. Ensuring guaranteed stable and predictable funding for the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> IGF, including<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> through a broadened donor base, is essential;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> d. The IGF should adopt mechanisms to promote worldwide<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> discussions<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> between meetings through intersessional dialogues.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> A strengthened IGF could better serve as a platform for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> discussing both long<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> standing and emerging issues with a view to contributing to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> the identification of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> possible ways to address them."<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> We could departure from that and add "ask the UN to make the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> IGF a permanent body instead of renewing its mandate for<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> another limited term of 5 or 10 years."<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 1Net could also be a platform to facilitate this.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> best<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> joana<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:48 AM, João Carlos R. Caribé<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:joao.caribe@me.com">joao.caribe@me.com</a> <<a href="mailto:joao.caribe@me.com">mailto:joao.caribe@me.com</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Unfortunately I missed that meeting, so I full support<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> this idea count me on to support as I can.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> _<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> João Carlos Caribé<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> (021) 8761 1967<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> (021) 4042 7727<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Skype joaocaribe<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Enviado via iPad<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Em 01/09/2014, às 11:33, Jeanette Hofmann<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu">jeanette@wzb.eu</a> <<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu">mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu</a>>> escreveu:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Hi all,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > at the BB meeting yesterday we discussed the idea of a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> BB statement that would ask the UN to make the IGF a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> permanent body instead of renewing its mandate for another<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> limited term of 5 or 10 years.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > This idea found broad support among the attendees of the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> BB meeting.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Later on I discussed the content of such a statement<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> with other stakeholders at the IGF and I got the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> impression that we might be able to draft a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> cross-stakeholder statement together with the technical<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> community and the private sector. (Individual governments<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> support such a statement too but I am not sure it would be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> possible within the few days available to coordiante<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> enough signatures by governments to make this an all<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> inclusive statement.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > Right now, a multi-stakeholder statement coming out of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> this IGF is only an idea that needs further exploration<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> within the respective groups. So, with this email to the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> bb list and the IGC list I am asking for your opinions to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> find out if such a cross-stakeholder statement would find<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> support in civil society.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > jeanette<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> > P.S. 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