<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>A centre generally does exclude extreme opinions on either side of the political spectrum</div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to list them, but if you wish to proceed further than just a laundry list of statements, then working toward consensus - across stakeholder groups - becomes inevitable.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 27-Aug-2014, at 14:41, Jean-Christophe Nothias <<a href="mailto:jeanchristophe.nothias@gmail.com">jeanchristophe.nothias@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Well, I don't know of any centrist- still a democrat - that could write (regarding the diversity of opinions and views in the IG debate) that some opinions should "rightly" be excluded. You wrote that!<div><br><div>In Switzerland, in France, in many countries where Democracy is vivid, all opinions are there, and force people to consider them, even if they fundamentally disagree. I would add that in the US, anything can be expressed even the darkest most dangerous views, when, to the contrary, Europe regards some opinions as equivalent of "incitation à la haine" and are therefore banned from the public space.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, who is asking for "consensus" in Istanbul? You forget a preliminary step. </div><div><br></div><div>Can't we simply recognize the diversity of views and opinions, even list them if it helps. That would be a first good step and help everyone's reflection.</div><div><br></div><div>This is what happen in any democratic congress/parliament where all views are there. So instead of selling <i>la pensée unique du parti unique</i>, a great progress would be : let's assume these diverging opinions, and let's see where some convergence can be achieved. By excluding, <i>rightly in your eyes</i>, views you disagree with, you feed the distrust that has now fully contaminated the IG debate.</div><div><br></div><div>There is a moment for maturity in politics. I am waiting for Milton's decision.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Le 27 août 2014 à 10:42, Suresh Ramasubramanian a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Jean-Christophe Nothias [27/08/14 10:31 +0200]:<br><blockquote type="cite">"...opinions are, rightly, excluded..."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">That must reflect on your highly democratic conception of an open debate.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To exclude rightly is usually part of the extreme right parties narrative.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Weren't you a multistakeholder equal footing blabla model advocate?<br></blockquote><br>Let us put it this way - <br>Personally, I am a centrist. I disagree with the extreme left just as much<br>as I do the extreme right.<br><br>In this case, I am a believer in a consensus, which in this case, forms a<br>bell curve from which the tail has, necessarily, to be excluded in order to<br>get a sense of what the vast majority of the group wants.<br><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>