<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Do you have a record of the session?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Analía</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Anja Kovacs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>For those who are interested, there is a plenary session on "Developing the information society beyond 2015: lessons from the WSIS+10 Review and NETmundial", organised by the Internet Democracy Project, tomorrow, 6 August, at 1 pm IST at the APrIGF. I have pasted the full details of the plenary below this message.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Remote participation should be available, (see <a href="http://2014.rigf.asia/remote/" target="_blank">http://2014.rigf.asia/remote/</a>) though I heard that unfortunately today there were quite a few problems with it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And +1 to the proposals to write a letter to the UN Secretary General, as well as to the USG and, I would propose, to Fadi Chehade, who seems to have become the undisputed cheerleader of the USG position now that the latter in many ways stands publicly discredited when it comes to "Internet freedom" and multistakeholderism.</div>
<div><br></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">As for Parminder's question "<span style="font-size:13px">Did we ever ask for the WSIS model (of course with evolutionary improvements) for WSIS plus 10 review. No, no one did" - I thought that I share again this letter that some of us (including some who have been following the WSIS+10 Review quite closely) wrote to the facilitators of the governmental negotiation processes in February. I think it quite clearly disproves the points that Parminder was making in his message above. </span></font></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://internetdemocracy.in/2014/02/letter-to-co-facilitators-calling-for-civil-society-input-into-negotiations-on-wsis10-modalities/" target="_blank">http://internetdemocracy.in/2014/02/letter-to-co-facilitators-calling-for-civil-society-input-into-negotiations-on-wsis10-modalities/</a><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Best regards,<br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Anja</font></div><div>
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><b>Title:</b> "<b>Developing the information society beyond 2015: lessons from the WSIS+10 Review and NETmundial</b>"</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Format: Panel discussion </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Invited panelists: </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Mr. Adam Peake - GLOCOM</font></div><div>Dr. Anja Kovacs - Internet Democracy Project<br>
</div><div>Dr. Govind - NIXI<br></div><div>Mr. Hardeep Singh Puri - Bharatiya Janata Party and formerly Government of India</div><div>Mr. Paul Wilson - APNIC</div><div>Mr. Rajnesh Singh - ISOC</div><div><br></div><div>Moderator: Prof. Ang Peng Hwa - Nanyan Technological University, Singapore </div>
<div><br></div></div><div>Abstract: <br></div><div><div><br></div><div>In 2015 the WSIS is up for an overall review. Though strictly speaking the WSIS was supposed to be about ICTs and development, the Internet governance issues that are contained in it have obtained a growing role. In fact, during the multistakeholder WSIS+10 MPP meetings, the debate on many more 'hard core' development issues often seemed to be held hostage to the IG debate, in that there was a reluctance to agree on new language for fear of the possible wider implications of such language.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The ICTs for development agenda continues, however, to be of great importance for many countries in our region. This then raises the question of how the development agenda contained in the WSIS can be revitalised. What shape do we want the WSIS agenda and process to take beyond 2015? What shape do the overall review in 2015 and its preparatory processes need to take for this to be possible? What lessons can we learn from both the content and form of discussions at the WSIS+10 MPP and the WGEC to take the Internet governance debate forward in a way that serves the Asia-Pacific region and ensures that the development debate can gain greater prominence again? What role can and do efforts such as the NETmundial, but also national Internet governance processes play in shaping this?</div>
<div><br></div><div>The session will reflect on our experiences of the past 11 years as part of the WSIS process to move forward towards a better future, and include a consideration of lessons learned from multistakeholder processes such as the NETmundial, the MPP and the WGEC on how to best get the IG part of the WSIS agenda unstuck.</div>
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On 4 August 2014 21:39, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" target="_blank">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Thanks Daniel, for your point about Democracy. We all agree that Democracy is a fragile world that can easily be twisted or lost. It is rather difficult to admit that such a failure or loss can be the result of the wrong acting by a dominating player, presumably not a rogue state.<div>
<br></div><div>Applied to mass surveillance, it seems indeed a good idea to put Democracy in practice: a well-balanced (and checked) democratic system allows separation of powers (1), and counter-power (2) within its own governing system. I am glad to act as a responsible citizen, as you suggest, and bring my voice to the protesting ones, but that still sounds a bit naive without the two previous settings. So it seems to me that the surveillance planet is not a flat one where all countries show the same surveillance power and desire. So maybe we should not close our eyes so to pass on from on secret to another, concluding that all secret services are equal. I don't think secret services are supposed to spy simply every citizen on this planet. That was the Stasi dream, or the Stalinist bureaucratic terror. In Democracy, where trust and willingness to act together are fundamental assets, this is a great loss of taxpayer money. So, please allow me to disagree: the US have to prove better, and not worse. See their whistleblower new legal vision: a whistleblower should be allowed to speak to its boss! This is presented as a progress, when it is just the opposite.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As Internet governance cannot be contained within the boundaries of one single country, neither be managed by one single country, how do we deal with a democratic approach taking into account the two previous points (1) and (2)?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Publicity is a good starting point at citizen level. But CS might push a little further its thinking and influence to offer governance innovation to politicians if they have some trouble to understand what citizens are concerned about, and not just lobbyists or PR consultants are telling them over a nice gastronomic table.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another good point for a good start would be to call a cat a cat: I know only one country, moreover a self-proclaimed champion of freedom of speech that has the technical power to organize and handle mass surveillance, thanks to its dominant private sector champions. So even though we can agree on the idea not to play the antagonistic game, we still have to agree on definitions and meanings, we still need to have acceptance for diversity of views and opinions. We also have to accept to speak truth to power: there was no power grab attempt from ITU in December 2012, neither before, nor after. And there is still not. The current asymmetry cannot be but condemned. And we need more US voices to honestly admit that things have to change. </div>
<div><br></div><div>All of that means democracy. To cherish it means to use it.</div><div><br></div><div>JC<div><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Optima;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Optima;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><br>
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<br><div><div>Le 4 août 2014 à 17:04, Daniel Kalchev a écrit :</div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>On 04.08.14 12:18, Jean-Christophe
NOTHIAS I The Global Journal wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Optima;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Optima;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Optima;font-size:medium;border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Optima;font-size:medium;border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Optima;font-size:medium;border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Nota Bene:
Wolfgang, I hope you
noticed that I did not
mention the troubling fact
that the US surveillance
of all Internet users
browsing and emailing over
the beautiful unified,
un-fragmented Internet
under one single root-zone
management, and of all
phone users, including
president Rousseff,
Chancellor Merkel,
European diplomats, BRICS
diplomats, all diplomats,
politicians, citizens,
that were hostage of the
US surveillance paranoia
and infernalia. We all pay
for that.<br>
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Yes, we do all pay for that.<br>
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But then, what can we do to resolve this situation? The US secret
services agencies will continue to do all of this, no matter what.
This is why they exist. Most of them run on military style
management, and obeying orders is mandatory there. The same can be
said about the secret services of any other country. Or any special
interests group.<br>
<br>
My experience dealing with this kind of 'operations' is that your
working route is publicity. Talk about it. Don't let them do it in
secret. Cops hate being exposed. Let Internet users become aware
what is going on. Don't waste your time politicizing it, in the
sense of "those bad XYZ spying on us good ABC", because this is
nonsense (and not true in general). If Internet users don't mind
being subject of surveillance, who are we to force them?<br>
<br>
If Internet users are so upset about this situation, they as
individuals having (whatever - voting, buying, etc) power will act
up and fix it.<br>
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Isn't this how democracy should function? :-)<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div>So yes let's the CS write to USG and its digital champions.
Let's start to balance our role.</div>
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<div>That is something everyone has obviously in mind when
considering the fact that governments are no longer to be seen
out of the IG game. One good reason to have CS coming strong
into the democratic multistakeholder model, JNC and others are
advocating.</div>
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<div>JC</div>
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<div>Le 4 août 2014 à 10:46, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang a écrit :</div>
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Outlook India:<br>
The resolution decided that the overall review will be
concluded in December 2015 by a two-day General Assembly
high-level meeting to be preceded by an inter-governmental
preparatory process that also takes into account inputs from
all relevant stakeholders of WSIS. The intergovernmental
negotiation process would begin in June 2015 and lead to an
inter-governmentally agreed outcome document for adoption at
the UNGA meeting. The process retains the ownership of the
preparatory meetings and the final outcome document with
member states alone. Mukerji said the resolution ensures
that leaders, "at the highest possible level" will meet at
the high-level plenary meeting in December next year to
adopt the outcome of the intergovernmental negotiations.<br>
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Wolfgang:<br>
One of the big achievements in the WSIS process was that
civil society got a voice in the process. A Milestone was
the CS WSIS Declaratzion from December 2003 which was handed
over to the president of the first summit, WSIS 1. It became
an official document. The Tunis Agenda confirmed and
enhanced the role of civil society. As you can see from the
text above, ten years later this process is back in the
hands of "governments only". The final outcome document will
be with member states only by taking into account inputs
from all relevant stakeholders (which sounds like a joke
with the experiences of a enhanced communicartion and
cooperation over the last ten years, including the UNCSTD
WGs. Should civil society write a letter to UN Secretary
General Ban Kin Moon?<br>
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