<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">It may be useful to refer to some of the definitions proposed by ISO, the International Standards Organization, such as this one:</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div><div class="sts-section sts-tbx-sec" id="iso_std_iso-iec_tr_38502_ed-1_v1_en_term_2.27" style="max-width: 800px; clear: both; margin-top: 15px;"><div class="sts-tbx-label" style="font-weight: bold; clear: both;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">2.27</span></div><div class="sts-tbx-term " style="font-weight: bold; clear: both;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">stakeholder</span></div><div class="sts-tbx-def"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">any individual, group or organization that can affect, be affected by, or perceive themselves to be affected by a decision or activity</span></div><div class="sts-tbx-source" style="margin-top: 10px; clear: both;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">[SOURCE: ISO Guide 73:2009, 3.2.1.1, modified — The NOTE has been deleted.]</span></div></div><div class="sts-section sts-tbx-sec" id="iso_std_iso-iec_tr_38502_ed-1_v1_en_term_2.28" style="max-width: 800px; clear: both; margin-top: 15px;"></div><div><br></div>This particular guide is quoted in:</div><div><div style="height: 42px; width: 267px; overflow: hidden; float: left; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><div style="float: left; margin-left: 0px;"><div class="v-label v-label-h2 h2 v-label-undef-w" style="cursor: default; font-weight: bold; padding-bottom: 10px;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">ISO/IEC TR 38502:2014(en)</span></div></div></div><div style="height: 42px; width: 338px; overflow: hidden; float: left; padding-left: 6px; padding-top: 0px;"><div style="float: left; margin-left: 0px;"><div class="v-verticallayout" style="overflow: hidden; width: 338px; height: 42px;"><div style="overflow: hidden; margin: 0px; width: 338px; height: 42px;"><div style="height: 36px; width: 338px; overflow: hidden; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><div style="float: left; margin-left: 0px;"><div class="v-label" style="cursor: default; width: 338px;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Information technology — Governance of IT </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On 31 Jul 2014, at 18:20, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span>Fair enough</span><br><span></span><br><span>--srs (iPad)</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 31-Jul-2014, at 21:31, <a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I agree with you. But it is frequently perceived as being money or property of some kind, and it would be good to avoid confusion as much as possible. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:19:34 </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>; michael gurstein<<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: McTim<<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>>; Deirdre Williams<<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>>; Mawaki Chango<<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com">kichango@gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tangible, concrete investment can mean just active involvement in a process, and contribution of personal expertise, time and effort to it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--srs (iPad)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 31-Jul-2014, at 21:04, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hmmm... do cats announce their intentions to pigeons?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>M</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] On Behalf Of McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:22 AM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Deirdre Williams</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Mawaki Chango</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Deirdre Williams <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><snip></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would propose that a great part of the difficulty of definition is </span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>caused by the word "stakeholder", because a stakeholder is seen as </span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>being one with a tangible, concrete investment in a process.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't think that is the case at all. I've never seen or heard anyone in IG make that kind of statement.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>rgds,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To be removed from the list, visit:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>For all other list information and functions, see:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><span></span><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br><span>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a></span><br><span>To be removed from the list, visit:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>For all other list information and functions, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a></span><br><span>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></span><br></div></body></html>