<HTML><HEAD></HEAD>
<BODY dir=ltr>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<DIV>A couple of things we might want to argue for as basic principles occur to
me as I read these issues.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Nothing in multistakeholder governance overrides the sovereignty of
nation states when it comes to purely national issues (we may as well agree to
something like that, because nation states will insist on it anyway and we will
get a lot more common sense if we include a reference to”purely national
issues”.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2. In matters where pecuniary interests or individual national sovereignty
interests are involved, it is important in the multistakeholder model for
affected parties to both declare these interests and to agree not to block what
would otherwise be a global consensus on policy to deal with such issues.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just a couple of thoughts – others may have better wording, but it would be
good to embed a few such principles in a path forward. Without the second one,
for example, multistakeholderism is a farce.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:46 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nnenna75@gmail.com
href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com">Nnenna Nwakanma</A> ; <A
title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">Governance</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance]
Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition
process</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<DIV>Thanks Nnenna. So if we start to compile a list of issues related to
multistakeholderism, these would include</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. roles and responsibilities, including the meaning and application of
equal footing</DIV>
<DIV>2. jurisdictional issues</DIV>
<DIV>3. applicability to final decision responsibility in various areas</DIV>
<DIV>4. consensus and the ability of any one one stakeholder or stakeholder
group to block progress based on self-interest</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(these are all interrelated)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don’t know if everyone here is used to dealing with issues lists. To me
an issues list (based on practice in project management) is a list of areas
where we have no immediate solution, and where we need further discussion and
clarification. Some carry very high risk, some are minor. I would classify all
of the above issues as being a high risk in multistakeholder practice. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ian </DIV>
<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=nnenna75@gmail.com
href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com">Nnenna Nwakanma</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:29 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">Governance</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance]
Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition
process</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV>Many thanks, Ian.<BR><BR></DIV>There was also:<BR>Points to be further
discussed beyond NETmundial:<BR>Several contributions to NETmundial identified
the following non-exhaustive list of points that need better understanding and
further discussion in appropriate fora:<BR> Different roles and
responsibilities of stakeholders in Internet governance,<BR>including the
meaning and application of <U>equal footing.</U><BR> Jurisdiction issues and
how they relate to Internet governance.<BR> Benchmarking systems and related
indicators regarding the application of<BR>Internet governance principles.<BR>
Net neutrality.<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Ian Peter <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
target=_blank>ian.peter@ianpeter.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<DIV>Here’s what was agreed to at Netmundial. I personally have no problem
with any of this, does anyone?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What I think we need to add to this comes from the discussion Parminder
started, in response to Avri’s posting, as regards limits to multistakeholder
application to final decision making in some instances. But if we are all
happy with what is below, we have a very good start. We could then look at the
areas where we see limits to applicability and the need for further
clarification.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FROM NETMUNDIAL</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>INTERNET GOVERNANCE PROCESS PRINCIPLES</DIV>
<DIV> Multistakeholder: Internet governance should be built on democratic,
</DIV>
<DIV>multistakeholder processes, ensuring the meaningful and accountable
</DIV>
<DIV>participation of all stakeholders, including governments, the private
sector, </DIV>
<DIV>civil society, the technical community, the academic community and
users.</DIV>
<DIV>The respective roles and responsibilities of stakeholders should be
</DIV>
<DIV>interpreted in a flexible manner with reference to the issue under
discussion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Open, participative, consensus driven governance: The development of
</DIV>
<DIV>international Internet-related public policies and Internet governance
</DIV>
<DIV>arrangements should enable the full and balanced participation of all
</DIV>
<DIV>stakeholders from around the globe, and made by consensus, to the extent
</DIV>
<DIV>possible.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Transparent: Decisions made must be easy to understand, processes must
</DIV>
<DIV>be clearly documented and follow agreed procedures, and procedures must
</DIV>
<DIV>be developed and agreed upon through multistakeholder processes.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Accountable: Mechanisms for independent checks and balances as well as
</DIV>
<DIV>for review and redress should exist. Governments have primary, legal and
</DIV>
<DIV>political accountability for the protection of human rights</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Inclusive and equitable: Internet governance institutions and processes
</DIV>
<DIV>should be inclusive and open to all interested stakeholders. Processes,
</DIV>
<DIV>including decision making, should be bottom-up, enabling the full
involvement </DIV>
<DIV>of all stakeholders, in a way that does not disadvantage any category of
</DIV>
<DIV>stakeholder.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Distributed: Internet Governance should be carried out through a
distributed, </DIV>
<DIV>decentralized and multistakeholder ecosystem.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Collaborative: Internet governance should be based on and encourage
</DIV>
<DIV>collaborative and cooperative approaches that reflect the inputs and
interests </DIV>
<DIV>of stakeholders.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Enabling meaningful participation: Anyone affected by an Internet
</DIV>
<DIV>governance process should be able to participate in that process.
Particularly, </DIV>
<DIV>Internet governance institutions and processes should support capacity
</DIV>
<DIV>building for newcomers, especially stakeholders from developing countries
</DIV>
<DIV>and underrepresented groups.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=williams.deirdre@gmail.com
href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target=_blank>Deirdre Williams</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:36 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target=_blank>Internet
Governance</A> ; <A title=kichango@gmail.com href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Mawaki Chango</A> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance]
Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition
process</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>
<DIV dir=ltr>I have a suggestion which I hope won't be considered too
flippant. There's a game, at least in English, for whiling away long car
journeys, in which the participants take turns to suggest adjectives, in
alphabetical order, for "the parson's cat".
<DIV>Our "parson's cat" is "multistakeholderism"</DIV>
<DIV>My turn first - I suggest that an attribute of multistakeholderism is
"inclusive", that we share a common understanding that multistakeholderism is
(or should be) a way towards more inclusive participation in the IG debate and
decision making.</DIV>
<DIV>Next person - either suggest another attribute that you think we perceive
in common, or take what I proposed and qualify it as you think necessary -
"but ....", or both.</DIV>
<DIV>This way we can build up a list of attributes in common while at the same
time being made aware of the reservations and exceptions that people may
have.</DIV>
<DIV>Could that work?</DIV>
<DIV>Deirdre</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 29 July 2014 11:05, Mawaki Chango <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kichango@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV class=gmail_extra>I personally endorsed the use of that phrase earlier
on the basis, and only on the basis, that this is work in progress, that we
are right in this thread and in a couple of others related seeking to hammer
out a common understanding. So I have been listening and hope I am being
listened to as well. There will be a point where we might reach and declare
some common understanding or we will have to acknowledge our failure to
reach such outcome.</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra>Are we there yet?</DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#888888>
<DIV class=gmail_extra> </DIV></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><SPAN><FONT color=#888888>Mawaki</FONT></SPAN>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; BORDER-SPACING: 0px"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; BORDER-SPACING: 0px"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; BORDER-SPACING: 0px"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; BORDER-SPACING: 0px"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; BORDER-SPACING: 0px"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(80,0,80)"> </DIV></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Norbert Bollow <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch"
target=_blank>nb@bollow.ch</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Is
there really a common understanding of multistakeholderism? I
don't<BR>think so, and I would further suggest that it will be a good
starting<BR>point to acknowledge that currently there are several
different<BR>understandings of multistakeholderism, and to therefore start
listening<BR>to each other with a goal of learning how others may
understand<BR>“multistakeholderism”
differently.<BR><BR>Greetings,<BR>Norbert<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:31:29 -0400<BR>Deirdre Williams <<A
href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com"
target=_blank>williams.deirdre@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> +1 for
common understanding.<BR>> Deirdre<BR>><BR>><BR>> On 29 July
2014 10:16, Mawaki Chango <<A href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kichango@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> > I am
ok with "common understanding" (putting the emphasis in my last<BR>>
> sentence below on the term "understand" rather than on<BR>> >
"definition'.) Note: at times some may also refer to it as working<BR>>
> definition, whatever designation people are comfortable with
works<BR>> > fine for me, but I like the modest and cooperative tone
in "common<BR>> > understanding".<BR>> ><BR>> >
Mawaki<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:34
PM, Nnenna Nwakanma<BR>> > <<A href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com"
target=_blank>nnenna75@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>>
>> Should we seek "a common understanding" instead of
"definition"?<BR>> >><BR>> >> Just asking<BR>>
>><BR>> >> N<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Mawaki Chango<BR>> >>
<<A href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kichango@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> >><BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:11 AM,
Mwendwa Kivuva <<BR>> >>> <A
href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com"
target=_blank>Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>>> Ian, probably multistakeholder is
not defined yet because it is<BR>> >>>> composed of
two words multiple-stakeholders. And stakeholder too<BR>>
>>>> is composed of two words stake-holder. Technically
then,<BR>> >>>> Multistakeholder is composed of three
words<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
It's a totally different question as to whether<BR>> >>>
"mutistakeholderism" needs to be defined despite being made up of<BR>>
>>> parts that are familiar. And I think all definition
questions<BR>> >>> boil down to people struggling to
understand precisely what<BR>> >>> "mutistakeholderism" is or
should be.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Mawaki<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>>
____________________________________________________________<BR>>
>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the
list:<BR>> >>> <A
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A><BR>> >>> To be
removed from the list, visit:<BR>>
>>> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</A><BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> For all other list information and
functions, see:<BR>> >>> <A
href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance"
target=_blank>http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</A><BR>>
>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter,
see:<BR>> >>> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/</A><BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Translate this email: <A
href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t"
target=_blank>http://translate.google.com/translate_t</A><BR>>
>>><BR>> >>><BR>> >><BR>>
><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You
received this message as a subscriber on the
list:<BR> <A
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A><BR>To be removed from the
list, visit:<BR> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</A><BR><BR>For all
other list information and functions, see:<BR> <A
href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance"
target=_blank>http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</A><BR>To edit
your profile and to find the IGC's charter,
see:<BR> <A href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/</A><BR><BR>Translate this email: <A
href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t"
target=_blank>http://translate.google.com/translate_t</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You
received this message as a subscriber on the
list:<BR> <A
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A><BR>To be removed from the
list, visit:<BR> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</A><BR><BR>For all other
list information and functions, see:<BR> <A
href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance"
target=_blank>http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</A><BR>To edit your
profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<BR> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/</A><BR><BR>Translate this email: <A
href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t"
target=_blank>http://translate.google.com/translate_t</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR
clear=all>
<DIV> </DIV>-- <BR>“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<HR>
<DIV>____________________________________________________________<BR>You
received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>
<A href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A><BR>To be removed from the
list, visit:<BR> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</A><BR><BR>For all other
list information and functions, see:<BR> <A
href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance"
target=_blank>http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</A><BR>To edit your
profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<BR> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/</A><BR><BR>Translate this email: <A
href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t"
target=_blank>http://translate.google.com/translate_t</A><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You
received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>
<A
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A><BR>To
be removed from the list, visit:<BR> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</A><BR><BR>For all other
list information and functions, see:<BR> <A
href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance"
target=_blank>http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</A><BR>To edit your
profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<BR> <A
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/"
target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/</A><BR><BR>Translate this email: <A
href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t"
target=_blank>http://translate.google.com/translate_t</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<P>
<HR>
____________________________________________________________<BR>You received
this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>
governance@lists.igcaucus.org<BR>To be removed from the list,
visit:<BR>
http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing<BR><BR>For all other list information and
functions, see:<BR>
http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance<BR>To edit your profile and to find
the IGC's charter, see:<BR>
http://www.igcaucus.org/<BR><BR>Translate this email:
http://translate.google.com/translate_t<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P>
<HR>
____________________________________________________________<BR>You received
this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>
governance@lists.igcaucus.org<BR>To be removed from the list,
visit:<BR>
http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing<BR><BR>For all other list information and
functions, see:<BR>
http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance<BR>To edit your profile and to find
the IGC's charter, see:<BR>
http://www.igcaucus.org/<BR><BR>Translate this email:
http://translate.google.com/translate_t<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>