<div dir="ltr">While I find your reading clearly substantiated by the content of the material, I just wonder what those people who regularly lambaste the use of the terms/qualifiers "democratic" and "international" in this context would now say to Cerf about him referring to an "international multistakeholder community" (2:12) and an "even more democratic framework" (2:22). <div>
<br></div><div>As for me, nations first are peoples -- and that is implied in the terminology of the name "United Nations" as much as their decision-making procedures were designed mainly to be States-based because of what was conceivable at the historical moment the UN was constituted. But "international" does not have to mean "intergovernmental" -- or at least not that preeminently, much less exclusively. And why would anything "more democratic" be rejected or fought against by civil society?? So on those two specific points I'd oddly agree more with Google's Internet Evangelist than with some CS members here ;) <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:59 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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(With Vint Cerf's name spell corrected. Apologies.)<br>
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<font face="Verdana">Posting below a relevant exchange on the ISOC
list. In the video linked to below, Vint mentiones how the US
has now decided to hand over its IANA authority to ICANN! <br>
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<div>On Thursday 24 July 2014 04:01 AM,
Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
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<div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3dH90tdhk#t=101" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3dH90tdhk#t=101</a></div>
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<div>"and hand over that responsibilty to ICANN"</div>
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<div>Is that really a foregone conclusion?</div>
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Yes, it is a forgone conclusion. Although it will be arrived at
through a convoluted path to give the pretence that it is the
global public that wants it this way. A 'global public'
conveniently re-christened as 'global multistakeholder community'
to give some credence to the mentioned captive 'convoluted path'
to arrive at this forgone conclusion. 'Public' you know is a
dangerous word. You cant be sure who all can turn up in the name
of 'public' and begin making what kinds of demands!
'Multistakeholder community' is a much more controllable political
space/ concept. <br>
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Sorry for the cynical sounding statement, but each element of the
IANA transition (non) puzzle points to this elementary fact. If
asked, I can elaborate. I am not doing so right away because I
think it is just too obvious..<br>
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parminder <font face="Verdana"><br>
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<div>On Thursday 24 July 2014 06:28 AM,
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
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<div>Vint Cerf video on the ICANN transition.<br>
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--srs (iPad)</div>
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Begin forwarded message:<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> "Dave Farber via ip" <<a href="mailto:ip@listbox.com" target="_blank">ip@listbox.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> 24 July 2014 2:41:35 IST<br>
<b>To:</b> "ip" <<a href="mailto:ip@listbox.com" target="_blank">ip@listbox.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>[IP] Who manages the Internet's address
book?</b><br>
<b>Reply-To:</b> <a href="mailto:dave@farber.net" target="_blank">dave@farber.net</a><br>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b>Charley Kline</b> <<a href="mailto:csk@mail.com" target="_blank">csk@mail.com</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2014<br>
Subject: FW: Who manages the Internet's address book?<br>
To: Dave Farber <<a href="mailto:dave@farber.net" target="_blank">dave@farber.net</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">For
those who didn’t get this directly from Google, Vint
Cerf summarizes the transition of ICANN.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
Vint Cerf [mailto:<a>no-reply@takeaction.withgoogle.com</a>]
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:02 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Charley Kline<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Who manages the Internet's address book?</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi
Charley,<br>
<br>
People call me a father of the
Internet, since I helped create it
40 years ago. I know lots of
people over-share about their
kids, but I hope you don't mind
one more.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/page/m/1439d9bc/19d4a4e/127e998/3ed108d7/1596138038/VEsE/" title="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/us/vint-video?&utm_medium=email&utm_source=google&utm_content=2+-+Watch+this+video+I+made+about+the+Intern&utm_campaign=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2&source=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Watch
this video I made about the
Internet and how it's
governed. I think you'll
find it worth a few moments.</span></b></a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/page/m/1439d9bc/19d4a4e/127e998/3ed108d8/1596138038/VEsF/" title="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/us/vint-video?&utm_medium=email&utm_source=google&utm_content=3&utm_campaign=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2&source=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img src="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/page/-/bsd_google_vint_explains_jms1.jpg" alt="Watch this video of
Vint Cerf explaining who
manages the Internet's
address book." border="0" height="310" width="560"></span></a></span></font><span></span></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">There's
been some confusion lately about
changes to Internet governance and
how it affects us all. I figure
it's my responsibility to set the
record straight. After all, no one
wants people mixing up the facts
about their kid.<br>
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<strong><b><font face="Times New
Roman">Check it out. And if
you enjoy my video, why not
use the Internet to share it
with friends near and far?</font></b></strong><br>
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<a href="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/page/m/1439d9bc/19d4a4e/127e998/3ed108c1/1596138038/VEsC/" title="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/us/vint-video?&utm_medium=email&utm_source=google&utm_content=4+-+httpstakeactionwithgooglecomusvintvideo&utm_campaign=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2&source=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/us/vint-video</span></b></a><br>
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Thanks,<br>
<br>
Vint Cerf<br>
Chief Internet Evangelist, Google<br>
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<br>
P.S. Shameless plug: I was on "The
Colbert Report" last week — and it
was pretty awesome. <a href="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/page/m/1439d9bc/19d4a4e/127e998/3ed108ca/1596138038/VEsD/" title="https://takeaction.withgoogle.com/Vint-Colbert-Report?&utm_medium=email&utm_source=google&utm_content=5+-+Click+here+to+watch+if+you+havent+alread&utm_campaign=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2&source=20140723VintColbert1-US-actives2" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Click
here to watch, if you
haven't already.</span></b></a></span></font></p>
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