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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi Wolfgang,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks for your comments/questions. These are all good and useful and I don't know that I can answer all of them... Many/most of these questions have intrigued/intoxicated/infuriated a good proportion of the folks on this list for 10 years or more and it would be rather presumptuous of me to say somewhat flippantly that I have the answers...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The comments were given to a fairly large audience of Communications academics only a very very few of whom have any real knowledge of Internet Governance issues so the intent of my talk was to present the problem(atique) as I saw it and then to suggest a very very general way forward (even my wife thought that part was a bit “underdeveloped” :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>That being said as preliminary let me respond to your comments inline...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] <br>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 3:54 PM<br>To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein; governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>Subject: AW: [governance] RE: Blogpost: The-information-society-is-in-crisis-and-what-to-do-about-it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><span style='color:black'>[MG>] Let me first start with a question to you... Do I take your silence on the first part of the paper as consent to the analysis/observations that I made there... If so, then I think your questions need to be framed in the context of how do we move forward given the current "crisis" because if it is a current or emerging crisis then the range of what is possible/feasible changes quite dramatically...<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>how a global compact (see below from your IAMCR speech) could look like? Who would be the signatories and how it would differ from the WSIS (2005) intergovernmental Tunis Agenda and the NetMundial (2014) multistakeholder Principles and Roadmap?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><span style='color:black'>[MG>] I really don't know but I do know that a "compact" being promoted by Brazil, Germany, France and India, each of whom has a "state level" grievance (set of issues it wants/feels the need to have addressed) would have rather more weight than rather vague good wishes towards an equally vague agreement among parties who don't see themselves as having very much in common beyond good fellow feelings in these matters. Whether it will be these actors or others or they and others I don’t really know, but if you agree that some sort of crisis point has been reached or that we are on a trajectory to some sort of crisis point then a group of actors supportive of an initiative such as a "compact" is very likely to emerge. The specific nature of such a "compact" will of course, very much depend on the issues it is meant to address and the lead actors who are attempting to address these.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Such a "global compact" was proposed again and again since the first WSIS PrepCom in 2002. The language "global compact" emerged from the environment movement in the 1990s (remember Franz-Josef Rademacher und Fridjof Finkebeiner in the Geneva WSIS Phase). Would it look like the CS Declaration from 2003? A Global Compact for the Internet was proposed four years ago by (now outgoing) EU Commissioner Nelly Kroes. But nothing happend. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i>[MG>] see my comments above<o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Do you have any outline/structure/language for such a compact and who should negotiate such a text and where the Project should be negotiated?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><span style='color:black'>[MG>] see my comments above… I don’t see much point in speculating on this in advance of a clearer picture of who might be driving this and what their issues might be (but I think it is fair to say that the JNC note to the BRICS was (to my mind) an attempt to move those matters along a bit based in part on what we know about the concerns specifically of India and Brazil).</span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Did you see what the governments on the BRICS countries had to say to the Internet and the global Internet Governance discussion (para. 48 - 50 of the Fortelezza Declaration)last week? They more or less totally ignored the letter from the five civil society organisations and even the words "freedom of Expression" or "civil society" do not appear in the text. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><span style='color:black'>[MG>] yes, I did see that and noted similar things to what you noted but these are still early days in this new post-Snowden (Information Society crisis) era and the BRICS clearly had other fish to fry at this time—most notably creating a major institution which at least has the potential of being outside of the Washington consensus and post-WWII Breton Oaks divvying up of the power structure of the world.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><span style='color:black'>M</span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Wolfgang<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Form Michael´s text in Hyderabad: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>"What is needed is a global agreement, a global compact which sets out the broad framework for an Internet in the public interest, an Internet evolving and operating in support of the public good understood in the broadest possible way. One which doesn’t restrict but rather enables the many but not allowing the continued dominance of the few; one which is based on true Internet Freedom that is the Freedom from Internet surveillance, from the domination of a single language or a single culture, Freedom for a balanced and widely distributed set of benefits from the outputs of the Information Society.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Such a global compact can in fact be a true democratically anchored multi-stakeholder initiative where national governments recognizing their needs for sovereignty and support of national interests, corporations looking for global level playing fields and stable environments for trade and markets and civil society concerned with human rights and economic and social justice can find common cause in building a new and global Information Society for the common good.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Of course, such a development is completely idealistic and yet the Internet is so important to all of us, to nation states, to the private sector in all of its various components and of course to civil society–and even to those who currently might resist such a development as undermining their current benefits and advantages–for surveillance, for control, for “excessive” profits. If the alternative is a fragmented Internet, one which has no basis of trust, where this fundamental infrastructure develops with huge gaps and significantly weakened connections then, even they might recognize that an Internet that functions is better than one that doesn’t and if the price of doing so is to have some taming of the wild west of digital space then better a solution of compromise and finding mutual interest and benefit rather than one of winner takes all.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Von: <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</span></a> im Auftrag von michael gurstein<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Gesendet: Fr 18.07.2014 05:17<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>An: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Betreff: [governance] RE: Blogpost: The-information-society-is-in-crisis-and-what-to-do-about-it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I was told that putting arrowheads at both ends would keep the URL from breaking... but no such luck... anyway for anyone who was interested and had problems with the link here is the TinyURL<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://tinyurl.com/oehhx8q"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://tinyurl.com/oehhx8q</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>M<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From: michael gurstein [<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:gurstein@gmail.com</span></a>]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 7:16 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: FW: Blogpost:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The-information-society-is-in-crisis-and-what-to-do-about-it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/the-information-society-is-in-cris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>is-and-what-to-do-about-it/><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>