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<p
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now this is simply an order by a magistrate and has been appealed in
federal court. </p>
<p
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speech making can wait pending the result of this appeal<br>
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<p
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16 July 2014 10:29:55 am parminder <parminder@itforchange.net> wrote:</p>
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The problem is, this isnt even hypocrisy, and an entirely new much
stronger word has to be invented for it...<br>
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See for instance<br>
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<span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">"The
Justice Department said global jurisdiction is necessary in an age
when "electronic communications are used extensively by criminals
of all types in the United States and abroad, from fraudsters to
hackers to drug dealers, in furtherance of violations of US
law."</span>"<br>
<br>
Yes, global jurisdiction is needed, and that global jurisdiction
should be US jurisdiction. Sure.<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, similar demands by other countries to have jurisdiction
on matters of their national concern is supposed to be a call to
control the Internet. <br>
<br>
And at times when saying such think looks just too bad or illogical
in polite company, say, ok multistakeholder jurisdiction is fine,
knowing very well that it means nothing, which is the whole point..<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 16 July 2014 12:06 AM,
michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Obama administration says the world’s
servers are ours<br>
US says global reach needed to gut "fraudsters,"
"hackers," and "drug dealers."<br>
By David Kravets<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jul 14 2014<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p
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100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Global
governments, the tech sector, and scholars are closely
following a legal flap in which the US Justice
Department claims that Microsoft must hand over e-mail
stored in Dublin, Ireland.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">In
essence, President Barack Obama's administration
claims that any company with operations in the United
States must comply with valid warrants for data, even
if the content is stored overseas. It's a position
Microsoft and companies like Apple say is wrong,
arguing that the enforcement of US law stops at the
border.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">A
magistrate judge has already sided with the
government's position, ruling in April that "the basic
principle that an entity lawfully obligated to produce
information must do so regardless of the location of
that information." Microsoft appealed to a federal
judge, and the case is set to be heard on July
31.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">In
its briefs filed last week, the US government said
that content stored online doesn't enjoy the same type
of Fourth Amendment protections as data stored in the
physical world. The government <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="safari-reader://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/federalbrief-microsoftcase.pdf"><span
style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">cited</span></a> (PDF)
the Stored Communications Act (SCA), a President
Ronald Reagan-era regulation:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Overseas
records must be disclosed domestically when a valid
subpoena, order, or warrant compels their
production. The disclosure of records under such
circumstances has never been considered tantamount
to a physical search under Fourth Amendment
principles, and Microsoft is mistaken to argue that
the SCA provides for an overseas search here. As
there is no overseas search or seizure, Microsoft’s
reliance on principles of extra-territoriality and
comity falls wide of the mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Microsoft said
the decision has wide-ranging, global implications.
"Congress has not authorized the issuance of warrants
that reach outside US territory,” Microsoft’s
attorneys <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/microsoft-challenges-us-govt-warrant-to-access-overseas-customer-data/"><span
style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">wrote</span></a>.
“The government cannot seek and a court cannot issue a
warrant allowing federal agents to break down the
doors of Microsoft’s Dublin
facility."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
Redmond, Washington-based company said its consumer
trust is low in the wake of the Edward Snowden
revelations. It told the US judge presiding over the
case that "[t]he government's position in this case
further erodes that trust and will ultimately erode
the leadership of US technologies in the global
market."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Companies
like Apple, AT&T, Cisco, and Verizon agree.
Verizon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="safari-reader://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/verizonamicus.pdf"><span
style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">said</span></a> (PDF)
that a decision favoring the US would produce
"dramatic conflict with foreign data protection laws."
Apple and Cisco <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="safari-reader://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/applebriefinremicrosft.pdf"><span
style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">said</span></a> (PDF)
that the tech sector is put "at risk" of being
sanctioned by foreign governments and that the US
should seek cooperation with foreign nations via
treaties, a position the US said is not
practical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
Justice Department said global jurisdiction
is necessary in an age when "electronic communications
are used extensively by criminals of all types in the
United States and abroad, from fraudsters to hackers
to drug dealers, in furtherance of violations of US
law."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
e-mail the US authorities are seeking from Microsoft
concerns a drug-trafficking investigation. Microsoft
often stores e-mail on servers closest to the account
holder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
senior counsel for the Irish Supreme Court wrote in a
recent filing that a US-Ireland "Mutual Legal
Assistance Treaty" was the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/06/10/National-Security/Graphics/SDNY%20McDowell%20Declaration.pdf"><span
style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">"efficient</span></a>"
avenue (PDF) for the US government to obtain the
e-mail held on Microsoft's external
servers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
100%;z-index:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Orin
Kerr, a Fourth Amendment expert at George Washington
University, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/microsoft-fights-us-search-warrant-for-customer-e-mails-held-in-overseas-server/2014/06/10/6b8416ae-f0a7-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html"><span
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"The scope of the privacy laws around the world is now
a very important question, and this is the beginning
of what may be a lot of litigation on the question. So
it's a big case to watch."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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