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    The problem is, this isnt even hypocrisy, and an entirely new much
    stronger word has to be invented for it...<br>
    <br>
    See for instance<br>
    <br>
    <span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">"The


      Justice Department said global jurisdiction is necessary in an age
      when "electronic communications are used extensively by criminals
      of all types in the United States and abroad, from fraudsters to
      hackers to drug dealers, in furtherance of violations of US law."</span>"<br>
    <br>
    Yes, global jurisdiction is needed, and that global jurisdiction
    should be US jurisdiction. Sure.<br>
    <br>
    Meanwhile, similar demands by other countries to have  jurisdiction
    on matters of their national concern is supposed to be a call to
    control the Internet. <br>
    <br>
    And at times when saying such think looks just too bad or illogical
    in polite company, say, ok multistakeholder jurisdiction is fine,
    knowing very well that it means nothing, which is the whole point..<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 16 July 2014 12:06 AM,
      michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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            style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Dewayne
            Hendricks <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:dewayne@warpspeed.com">dewayne@warpspeed.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject:
                [Dewayne-Net] Obama administration says the world's
                servers are ours</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Date:
              </span></b><span
              style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">July
              14, 2014 at 3:47:28 PM EDT</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To:
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              style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Multiple
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                href="mailto:dewayne-net@warpspeed.com">dewayne-net@warpspeed.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Obama administration says the world’s
              servers are ours<br>
              US says global reach needed to gut "fraudsters,"
              "hackers," and "drug dealers."<br>
              By David Kravets<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Jul 14 2014<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/obama-administration-says-the-worlds-servers-are-ours/">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/obama-administration-says-the-worlds-servers-are-ours/</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Global
                  governments, the tech sector, and scholars are closely
                  following a legal flap in which the US Justice
                  Department claims that Microsoft must hand over e-mail
                  stored in Dublin, Ireland.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">In
                  essence, President Barack Obama's administration
                  claims that any company with operations in the United
                  States must comply with valid warrants for data, even
                  if the content is stored overseas. It's a position
                  Microsoft and companies like Apple say is wrong,
                  arguing that the enforcement of US law stops at the
                  border.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">A
                  magistrate judge has already sided with the
                  government's position, ruling in April that "the basic
                  principle that an entity lawfully obligated to produce
                  information must do so regardless of the location of
                  that information." Microsoft appealed to a federal
                  judge, and the case is set to be heard on July 31.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">In
                  its briefs filed last week, the US government said
                  that content stored online doesn't enjoy the same type
                  of Fourth Amendment protections as data stored in the
                  physical world. The government <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="safari-reader://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/federalbrief-microsoftcase.pdf"><span
                      style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">cited</span></a> (PDF)
                  the Stored Communications Act (SCA), a President
                  Ronald Reagan-era regulation:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <blockquote
                style="margin-left:22.5pt;margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:22.5pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;max-width:
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                <p
                  style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                  100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Overseas
                    records must be disclosed domestically when a valid
                    subpoena, order, or warrant compels their
                    production. The disclosure of records under such
                    circumstances has never been considered tantamount
                    to a physical search under Fourth Amendment
                    principles, and Microsoft is mistaken to argue that
                    the SCA provides for an overseas search here. As
                    there is no overseas search or seizure, Microsoft’s
                    reliance on principles of extra-territoriality and
                    comity falls wide of the mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Microsoft said
                  the decision has wide-ranging, global implications.
                  "Congress has not authorized the issuance of warrants
                  that reach outside US territory,” Microsoft’s
                  attorneys <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/microsoft-challenges-us-govt-warrant-to-access-overseas-customer-data/"><span
                      style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">wrote</span></a>.
                  “The government cannot seek and a court cannot issue a
                  warrant allowing federal agents to break down the
                  doors of Microsoft’s Dublin facility."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
                  Redmond, Washington-based company said its consumer
                  trust is low in the wake of the Edward Snowden
                  revelations. It told the US judge presiding over the
                  case that "[t]he government's position in this case
                  further erodes that trust and will ultimately erode
                  the leadership of US technologies in the global
                  market."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Companies
                  like Apple, AT&T, Cisco, and Verizon agree.
                  Verizon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="safari-reader://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/verizonamicus.pdf"><span
                      style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">said</span></a> (PDF)
                  that a decision favoring the US would produce
                  "dramatic conflict with foreign data protection laws."
                  Apple and Cisco <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="safari-reader://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/applebriefinremicrosft.pdf"><span
                      style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">said</span></a> (PDF)
                  that the tech sector is put "at risk" of being
                  sanctioned by foreign governments and that the US
                  should seek cooperation with foreign nations via
                  treaties, a position the US said is not practical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
                  Justice Department said global jurisdiction
                  is necessary in an age when "electronic communications
                  are used extensively by criminals of all types in the
                  United States and abroad, from fraudsters to hackers
                  to drug dealers, in furtherance of violations of US
                  law."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
                  e-mail the US authorities are seeking from Microsoft
                  concerns a drug-trafficking investigation. Microsoft
                  often stores e-mail on servers closest to the account
                  holder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">The
                  senior counsel for the Irish Supreme Court wrote in a
                  recent filing that a US-Ireland "Mutual Legal
                  Assistance Treaty" was the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/06/10/National-Security/Graphics/SDNY%20McDowell%20Declaration.pdf"><span
                      style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">"efficient</span></a>"
                  avenue (PDF) for the US government to obtain the
                  e-mail held on Microsoft's external servers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
                style="line-height:21.75pt;background:#FBFBFB;max-width:
                100%;z-index:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#414141">Orin
                  Kerr, a Fourth Amendment expert at George Washington
                  University, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/microsoft-fights-us-search-warrant-for-customer-e-mails-held-in-overseas-server/2014/06/10/6b8416ae-f0a7-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html"><span
                      style="color:#416ED2;text-decoration:none">said</span></a>,
                  "The scope of the privacy laws around the world is now
                  a very important question, and this is the beginning
                  of what may be a lot of litigation on the question. So
                  it's a big case to watch."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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