<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style><![endif]--><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Optima;
panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From another list discussing the “relevance” of the action against ICANN re: Iran…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>M<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs@world.std.com] <br>Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:53 PM<br>To: manning bill<br>Cc: michael gurstein; 1Net List; governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>Subject: Re: [discuss] Some more legal tangles for ICANN<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>All this armchair analysis is fascinating but let me interject that this same group (the litigants) are doing fairly well in the seizure of a ~$500M building in Manhattan (650 Fifth Ave) as an asset of the Iranian government based on the same damages claims.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On 31 March a judge confirmed that the seizure must proceed after a few years of legal wranglings though appeals will proceed.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>A little googling will reveal similar pontifications questioning the actual ownership of the building, the jurisdiction, etc. which may look familiar to those following this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The building was in the name of charitable organizations, Assa Corp and Alavi Foundation, but the court found this to be irrelevant -- some said a fraudulent front -- or only partially protective (i.e., they might also get some of the proceeds of a forced sale.)<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://nypost.com/2014/03/31/midtown-skyscraper-must-be-forfeited-over-iran-ties/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://nypost.com/2014/03/31/midtown-skyscraper-must-be-forfeited-over-iran-ties/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>or<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nknmyru"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://tinyurl.com/nknmyru</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If nothing else the point is that the litigants appear to be tenacious, this has been going on for about a decade, and apparently well funded.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I'm surprised at the flippancy with which some cast it all off as utter nonsense.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It may well fail ultimately but I don't think this is being pursued by people prone to utter nonsense or frivolous pursuit.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Underestimating those whom you disagree with can be a disasterous flaw.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>P.S. This is also interesting and relevant. The same group has been pursuing 20,000 Persian artifacts housed at the Univ of Chicago. They had a set back on 2014-03-28 but are appealing.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20140328/us--iran-us-museums/?utm_hp_ref=arts&ir=arts"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20140328/us--iran-us-museums/?utm_hp_ref=arts&ir=arts</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>or<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://tinyurl.com/optj485"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://tinyurl.com/optj485</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> -Barry Shein<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The World | <a href="mailto:bzs@TheWorld.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>bzs@TheWorld.com</span></a> | <a href="http://www.TheWorld.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://www.TheWorld.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>McTim<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal<br><b>Cc:</b> Norbert Bollow<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Re: "[...] to seize Iran's Internet licenses & domain name assets"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks, it is much clearer now.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Iran owes no money to ICANN (as far as I know). Some ccTLDs remit monies to ICANN, but AFAIK, Iran does not, so that's a dead end.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>.ir is not the "property of the Islamic Republic of Iran" either, so that's a no-op as well. It is delegated to an academic institution. In short, ICANN can easily answer this writ without any threat to the stability of the root.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel <br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <<a href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net" target="_blank">jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Optima","serif";color:black'>Norbert,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Following your request: :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here are the 6 "<a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_dOI5puxRA9M3hweE9Eel9mVTQ/edit?pli=1" target="_blank">Writ of Attachment</a>" (5 vs IRAN; 1 vs Syria) as of June 24, 2014, notified to ICANN/IANA by the US District Court for the District of Columbia.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=612 height=52 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01CF9367.972AC1B0"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So no "if" and no "apparently". <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>JC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le 28 juin 2014 à 15:41, Norbert Bollow a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Am Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:18:07 +0200<br>schrieb Stephane Bortzmeyer <<a href="mailto:bortzmeyer@internatif.org" target="_blank">bortzmeyer@internatif.org</a>>:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There have been, apparently, a judgment (transferring the .ir, no<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>less...), in the USA:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-us-terror-victims-now-own-irans-internet/" target="_blank">http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-us-terror-victims-now-own-irans-internet/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Is the judgment itself available online?<br><br>I find the article not overly illuminating, it IMO seems to be based to<br>a too large extent on speculations of people who evidently don't know<br>what they're talking about in relation to the Internet. Not that the<br>judgment itself is necessarily better in that regard, but court<br>judgments are a serious matter regardless of the correctness of the<br>underlying assumptions.<br><br>Greetings,<br>Norbert<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>