<div dir="ltr">Ups, my last email was incomplete. So once again, here the complete version.<br><br>Dear all, dear Norbert,<br><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
> This is not the point, Norbert:<br>
> 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this<br>
> competence is for the courts of the member states.<br>
<br>
</div>Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the<br>
fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the<br>
court.<br>
<div><br></div></blockquote></div><div>Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data Protection Directive of 1995<br><p style="margin-left:40px">Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression</p>
<p style="margin-left:40px"><b>Member
States shall provide for exemptions</b> or derogations from the provisions
of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the processing of
personal data carried out solely for journalistic purposes or the
purpose of artistic or literary expression only if they are necessary
to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules governing freedom of
expression.</p> Translated into understandable English: it is on the
member states to specify their own particular perception on that
balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. <br></div><div>One place, where
the ECJ underlines this is for instance the Linqvist case (an ECJ case
on data protection), cf. answer to question 6 (since the text is very
long I'll only insert the link here: <a href="http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=48382&doclang=en" target="_blank">http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=48382&doclang=en</a>)<br>
<br><br></div><div class="im"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
> 2-the ECJ states Art.7 and 8, I quote "override in general" the public<br>
> interest<br>
<br>
</div>I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your<br>
misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time on<br>
repeating that discussion.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><div>Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer
without even quoting a passage or reasoning the interpretation in
accordance with the EU Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are
not an answer but a repetition.<br>
</div><div>I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't replied to that). I also posed the incompatibilities with other rights.<br>I
even gave you a link list of well known scholars like, among many
others Zittrain (Harvard), Peers (Essex, UK), Husovec (Max -Planck,
Germany), Linskey (London School of Economics), Rigo Wenning (legal
counsel, W3C) or Dobusch (Free University Berlin) analyzing the court's decission with similar arguments to mine.<br>
</div><div>Happy to hear a concrete argument if you have one.<br></div><div>Best regards,<br>Lorena<br></div><div> </div>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<div class=""><div id=":181" class="" tabindex="0"><img class="" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif"></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-01 14:26 GMT+02:00 Lorena Jaume-Palasi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lorena@collaboratory.de" target="_blank">lorena@collaboratory.de</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all, dear Norbert,<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
> This is not the point, Norbert:<br>
> 1-the ECJ cannot judge on Art. 11 (freedom of expression): this<br>
> competence is for the courts of the member states.<br>
<br>
</div>Untrue. Of course the ECJ can rule on the application of any of the<br>
fundamental rights, in relation to the question that is asked of the<br>
court.<br>
<div><br></div></blockquote></div><div>Of course not, Norbert. This is convened in Art. 9 of the Data Protection Directive of 1995<br><p style="margin-left:40px">Article 9 Processing of personal data and freedom of expression</p>
<p style="margin-left:40px"><b>Member
States shall provide for exemptions</b> or derogations from the provisions
of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the processing of
personal data carried out solely for journalistic purposes or the
purpose of artistic or literary expression only if they are necessary
to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules governing freedom of
expression.</p> Translated into understandable English: it is on the member states to specify their own particular perception on that balance. Hence the ECJ cannot do that. <br></div><div>One place, where the ECJ underlines this is for instance the Linqvist case (an ECJ case on data protection), cf. answer to question 6 (since the text is very long I'll only insert the link here: <a href="http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=48382&doclang=en" target="_blank">http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?docid=48382&doclang=en</a>)<br>
<br><br></div><div class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
> 2-the ECJ states Art.7 and 8, I quote "override in general" the public<br>
> interest<br>
<br>
</div>I and Matthias Kettemann and possibly others have answered your<br>
misinterpretation of those words already; I will not waste my time on<br>
repeating that discussion.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><div>Norbert, you gave me a tautological answer without even quoting a passage or reasoning the interpretation in accordance with the EU Charter on Fundamental Rights. Tautologies are not an answer but a repetition.<br>
</div><div>I quoted the text of the ECJ decision (you haven't replied to that). I also posed the incompatibilities with other rights.<br>I even gave you a link list of well known scholars like, among many others Zittrain (Harvard), Peers (Essex, UK), Husovec (Max -Planck, Germany), Linskey (London School of Economics), Rigo Wenning (legal counsel, W3C) or Dobusch (Free University Berlin).<br>
</div><div>Happy to hear a concrete argument if you have one.<br></div><div>Best regards,<br>Lorena<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
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