<p><span style="font-size: small;">Dear all</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: small;">Ian Wrote :</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: small;">< the devil will be in how MSr* are defined, structured and organized as well as how their voice factors in the process and outcome.></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: small;">I'd rather add "who much they weigh in the information society" i.e. how important is their lobbying influence and power on policy making. In more concrete terms at which grade of representativeness will CS be able for challenging effectively ("equal footing") the the private sector, i.e. the "Internet Majors" Google, FB, Yahoo, M$, Amazon and Cos ?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: small;">The answer is in the question ...</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: small;">Greetings</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: small;">Jean-Louis Fullsack</span><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /><br /></p>
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<div dir="ltr">Interesting perspective, Ian. My first thought is that like anything else regarding MSm* the devil will be in how MSr* are defined, structured and organized as well as how their voice factors in the process and outcome. That is the Achilles' heel of any MSr process lies, IMO. The question is, can we ever come up with basic principles that will be broadly accepted as foundation for the legitimacy of MSm in some type of settings/contexts.
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<div>MSm = multistakeholderism</div>
<div>MSr = multistakeholder</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Ian Peter <span><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 13pt;"><font style="font-size: 11pt;">I’m interested to know people’s thoughts about the advisability of civil society promoting the “rough consensus” model of decision making as differing from what I will call “UN consensus”.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 13pt;"><font style="font-size: 11pt;">“UN consensus” is what we see happening in most UN decision making processes, some related international organisations, and also saw at NetMundial. This consensus model allows any one party to stand against adoption of any particular wording, even if the vast majority of parties present think otherwise. This leads to some less acceptable outcomes.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 13pt;"><font style="font-size: 11pt;">I think it is reasonable to say that “UN consensus” has been stifling in many instances and has inhibited progress in many areas. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 13pt;"><font style="font-size: 11pt;">Rough consensus could lead to different outcomes. For instance, in the NetMundial situation, it would have led to the stronger statements on surveillance, intermediate liability and net neutrality being maintained in the text, rather than being removed at the last moment due to the demands of a small number of government and business interests. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 13pt;"><font style="font-size: 11pt;">In other words, in this example at least, the mood of the meeting and the desires of the vast majority of participants would have been better reflected with a rough consensus decision making mechanism than with UN style consensus.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 13pt;"><font style="font-size: 11pt;">However, there is a danger here – minorities are not necessarily protected in rough consensus and more widespread adoption of a rough consensus decision making model could lead to suppression of some viewpoints. However, in a stakeholder model such as NetMundial needing rough consensus in all stakeholder groups would offer significant protection.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt; line-height: 13pt;"><font style="font-size: 11pt;"> </font><font style="font-size: 11pt;">So I am interested in any thoughts on the best model for us to promote here.</font></p>
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