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<DIV>> The question is, can we ever come up with basic principles that will
be broadly accepted as foundation for the legitimacy of MSm in some type of
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<DIV>I think Net Mundial made a good but imperfect attempt at this.</DIV>
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<DIV>But equally, is there any way with MSism we can improve on the serious
problems that exist with UN system? There are countless examples within
current international systems of nation state votes being bought by promises of
increased foreign aid etc, and of nation state positions being determined by
corporate interests. So we already have a system which is quite flawed,
and is stifled whenever it attempts to make any change that affects the
status quo. My question is can we improve on it?</DIV>
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<DIV>I don ‘t yet see how any system or systemic change is going to completely
stop powerful interests dictating policy to less powerful ones. However, I am
wondering whether rough consensus is going to be useful or dangerous in this
context.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kichango@gmail.com
href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com">Mawaki Chango</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:58 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Consensus or rough
consensus?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Interesting perspective, Ian. My first thought is that like
anything else regarding MSm* the devil will be in how MSr* are defined,
structured and organized as well as how their voice factors in the process and
outcome. That is the Achilles' heel of any MSr process lies, IMO. The question
is, can we ever come up with basic principles that will be broadly accepted as
foundation for the legitimacy of MSm in some type of settings/contexts.
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<DIV>Sorry if I don't directly reply to your question.</DIV>
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<DIV>Mawaki </DIV>
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<DIV>MSm = multistakeholderism</DIV>
<DIV>MSr = multistakeholder</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Ian Peter <SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’m interested to know people’s thoughts about the
advisability of civil society promoting the “rough consensus” model of
decision making as differing from what I will call “UN consensus”.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">“UN consensus” is what we see happening in most UN
decision making processes, some related international organisations, and also
saw at NetMundial. This consensus model allows any one party to stand against
adoption of any particular wording, even if the vast majority of parties
present think otherwise. This leads to some less acceptable
outcomes.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I think it is reasonable to say that “UN consensus”
has been stifling in many instances and has inhibited progress in many areas.
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Rough consensus could lead to different outcomes. For
instance, in the NetMundial situation, it would have led to the stronger
statements on surveillance, intermediate liability and net neutrality being
maintained in the text, rather than being removed at the last moment due to
the demands of a small number of government and business interests.
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In other words, in this example at least, the mood of
the meeting and the desires of the vast majority of participants would have
been better reflected with a rough consensus decision making mechanism than
with UN style consensus.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">However, there is a danger here – minorities are not
necessarily protected in rough consensus and more widespread adoption of a
rough consensus decision making model could lead to suppression of some
viewpoints. However, in a stakeholder model such as NetMundial needing rough
consensus in all stakeholder groups would offer significant
protection.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </FONT><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">So I am
interested in any thoughts on the best model for us to promote
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt">Ian
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