<div dir="ltr">Hi<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="">On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Lorena Jaume-Palasi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lorena@collaboratory.de" target="_blank">lorena@collaboratory.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Imho you haven't read the court's decision until the end, Norbert:<br>
(81) "<span>However, inasmuch as the removal of links from
the list of results could, depending on the information at issue, have
effects upon the legitimate interest of internet users potentially
interested in having access to that information, in situations such as
that at issue in the main proceedings a fair balance should be sought in
particular between that interest and the data subject’s fundamental
rights under Articles 7 and 8 of the Charter.<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"> Whilst it is true that the
data subject’s rights protected by those articles also override, as a
general rule, that interest of internet users</span>"<br></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><span></span></div><span>Traduced into non-juridical English: the right to privacy and data protection (Art. 7&8) OVERRIDE AS A GENERAL RULE, the interest of internet users (Art. 11)<br>
</span></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>It is problematic to just take one phrase and generalize it. That's not how interpretation of judgments works. The wording "that interest" refers to the previously mentioend "legitimate interest of internet users potentially interested in having access to that information, in situations such as that at issue in the main proceedings". This clearly shows that the 'override' only applies in very specific situations. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Note the reference to "in situations such as that at issue in the main proceedings". The judgment is of very limited actual reach.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>"as a general rule" is a very concrete juridical indication - and it applies to all search engines. You are right, when you say that it is overall undertermined: I also see it like that and it does thus leave the door open for misuse. <br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>Also, Mr. Costeja Gonzalez should have remembered the case of Barbra Streisand and her Malibu home. Now the links to the judgement are here to stay. Seeking to delete information online usually has a boomerang effect. Therefore, lawyers should tell their clients to resist pressing such claims. It's usually, if at all, a Pyrrhic victory. </div>
<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>A Pyrrhic victory, indeed. :(<br><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div>Lorena <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div>Kind regards</div><div>Matthias</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><span>
<br></span></div><span>Now THAT is not a balance, but a hierarchy.<br></span></div><span>Best,<br>Lorena<br></span><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2014-05-15 11:07 GMT+02:00 Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Lorena Jaume-Palasi <<a href="mailto:lorena@collaboratory.de" target="_blank">lorena@collaboratory.de</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> The court has stated a precedent and the balance it makes is based<br>
> on the assumption, the right to privacy is higher ranked. It does not<br>
> assume that both rights are equal and that there needs a balance.<br>
<br>
</div>You're IMO mis-reading the judgment.<br>
<br>
Let's be specific.<br>
<br>
The court says that in regard to facts about a person's personal life<br>
that are (at a given time) not of significant public interest and which<br>
the person does not wish to be immediately found by means of a Google<br>
search for their name, the right to privacy is higher ranked than the<br>
economic interest of Google (of course, since economic interests<br>
and rights of corporations are by definition ranked lower than human<br>
rights) and the rights of the public to access information (which are<br>
a logical consequence of a human right, so that is a serious point.)<br>
<br>
The court also explicitly says, as the final sentence of the ruling:<br>
“However, that would not be the case if it appeared, for particular<br>
reasons, such as the role played by the data subject in public life,<br>
that the interference with his fundamental rights is justified by the<br>
preponderant interest of the general public in having, on account of<br>
its inclusion in the list of results, access to the information in<br>
question.”<br>
<br>
There you have it, depending on the circumstances (the particular legal<br>
implementation in EU law of) one or the other human right is to be the<br>
determining factor.<br>
<br>
The scope of application of (the particular legal implementation in EU<br>
law of) of one human right is determined by (the particular legal<br>
implementation in EU law of) the other human right, and vice versa.<br>
<br>
One human right balanced by the other.<br>
<br>
Just like things should be.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
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