<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span style="" class="">Are these </span>Search Engines and Web-Archive Service Providers (who obtain publicly available information through w<span style="" class="">eb crawler(s)) have any </span><span style="" class=""><span style="" class=""><span style="" class="">data </span>retention policy by law?</span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><span style="" class=""><span style="" class=""><br></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;" class=""><span style="" class=""><span style="" class="">So the data/information/links may be forgotten automatically, instead of initiating the removal request upon obsolescence or privacy issues. </span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;" class=""><br><span style="" class=""><span style="" class=""></span></span></div>Imran<br style="" class=""><div style="" class=""></div><blockquote class="" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div class="" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div class="" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="" class="" dir="ltr"> <hr style="" class="" size="1"> <font style="" class=""
face="Arial" size="2"> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> avri <avri@acm.org><br style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "governance@lists.igcaucus.org" <governance@lists.igcaucus.org> <br style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 15 May 2014, 15:14<br style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Removal<br style="" class=""> </font> </div> <div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""><div style="" class="" id="yiv8638819976"><div style="" class=""><div style="" class="">How much permanent information will need to be kept on order to guarantee a person is 'forgotten'. Will it be just their name and the result of the request. Will it require other identifying info to make sure that all of their info from
all of their identities is also forgotten. Will the evidence they provide for the request need to be retained for some reason or time interval? So many questions.</div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div class="" style="font-size:75%;">avri</div><div class="" style="font-size:75%;"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div class="" style="font-size:75%;">Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div><br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none">-------- Original message --------<br style="" class="" clear="none">From: Mwendwa Kivuva <br style="" class="" clear="none">Date:05/15/2014 04:48 (GMT-05:00) <br style="" class="" clear="none">To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org,"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <br style="" class="" clear="none">Cc: Lorena Jaume-Palasi ,Marie GEORGES ,Adam Peake ,Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <br style="" class=""
clear="none">Subject: Re: [governance] Removal <br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none"><div style="" class="" id="yiv8638819976yqt09851"><div style="" class="" dir="ltr">Wolfgang great question and observation.<div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div style="" class="">This is time for innovation. We might need a "search engine clearing house"<br style="" class="" clear="none"><div style="" class=""><br style="" class="" clear="all"><div style="" class="">______________________<br style="" class="" clear="none">
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<br style="" class="" clear="none"><a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div>
<br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none"><div style="" class="">On 15 May 2014 10:56, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <span style="" class="" dir="ltr"><<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>></span> wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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Hi,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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I have one question: My understanding of the ruling is that an individual has to make a request to a search engine to remove the data/links to the orginal data to the operator of a search engine, in this case Google.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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But what about the other search engines: Yandex, Bing, Baidu etc. If there are 100 search engines, does she/he has to make 100 requests?<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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Wolfgang<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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. IDies she/he have t. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br style="" class="" clear="none">
Von: <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> im Auftrag von Lorena Jaume-Palasi<br style="" class="" clear="none">
Gesendet: Do 15.05.2014 02:50<br style="" class="" clear="none">
An: <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Marie GEORGES<br style="" class="" clear="none">
Cc: Adam Peake; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br style="" class="" clear="none">
Betreff: Re: [governance] Information of general interest: arret cour européenne Luxembourg, Spanish DPA against Google<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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the court's opinion is pretty clear: it states that art. 7 & 8 (privacy and<br style="" class="" clear="none">
data protection) are higher ranked than art. 11 (freedom of expression). In<br style="" class="" clear="none">
democracies no right is absolute: they all have to be balanced as peers<br style="" class="" clear="none">
-and not within a hierachy. So yes, Oliver is right and has read it pretty<br style="" class="" clear="none">
much in deep (as many other law-experts on data protection have done:<br style="" class="" clear="none">
<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mashable.com/2014/05/13/right-to-be-forgotten-europe-google/">http://mashable.com/2014/05/13/right-to-be-forgotten-europe-google/</a> or<br style="" class="" clear="none">
<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://europeanlawblog.eu/?p=2351">http://europeanlawblog.eu/?p=2351</a> or<br style="" class="" clear="none">
<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/and">http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/and</a><br style="" class="" clear="none">
many more.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
This is heavy undemocratic stuff, once we begin to rank some human rights<br style="" class="" clear="none">
higher than others...<br style="" class="" clear="none">
Kind regards,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
Lorena<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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2014-05-14 23:16 GMT+02:00 Marie GEORGES <<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:marie.georges@noos.fr" target="_blank" href="mailto:marie.georges@noos.fr">marie.georges@noos.fr</a>>:<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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> Yes Adam..quite interesting Viktor Mayer-Schönberger 's article<br style="" class="" clear="none">
><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> The judgement is not at all in favor of censorship at all !!!! Olivier,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> read it in deep, balance of interest is made between privacy and Interest<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> of people to know...<br style="" class="" clear="none">
><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> In Europe( large meaning) if another end is looked for it will be at the<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ECtHR...<br style="" class="" clear="none">
><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> Best regards<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> Marie<br style="" class="" clear="none">
><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> Le 14 mai 2014 à 12:55, Adam Peake a écrit :<br style="" class="" clear="none">
><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> > On May 14, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >> This ruling spells the start of mass censorship in Europe.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >> It basically means anyone could ask Google to take down a link on the<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >> premise that the information is obsolete. I am sure this is very welcome<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >> to crooks, fraudsters and other criminals. Well done!<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> > writing in the UK Guardian, Viktor Mayer-Schönberger suggests otherwise<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> -- this is not the end<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> > <<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/omission-of-search-results-no-right-to-be-forgotten">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/omission-of-search-results-no-right-to-be-forgotten</a><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> > Adam<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> ><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >> Olivier<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >> On 13/05/2014 13:23, Marie GEORGES wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Bonjour,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Hi<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Cet arrêt est très important,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> This judgement is very important<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Et en première page du New York Times<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> And In first page of the New York Times<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> <a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp">http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp</a><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Texte complet de l'arrêt , ci attaché, en français et en anglais<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Full judgement here attached in french and in english<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Il reconnait Google search comme un responsable de traitement au sens<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> de la directive de 1995 sur la protection des données personnelles qui donc<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> est applicable<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> It recognizes Google (search) as controller in the meaning of<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> Directive of 95 on data protection,that is therefore completely applicable<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> to the search engine<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Google doit retirer les informations sur une personne qui lui porte<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> préjudice ( y inclus sur base de la liberté d'information/vie privée) lors<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> de la réponse à qu'une requête sur le nom de cette personne alors que<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> l'information sur le site d'origine est légale<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Google have to take of the referenced documents related to a<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> person when that information, lawful on the original web site, appears in<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> the answers to a query on her/his name, where such information causes<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> undue private life on the basis of the balance of interest criteria<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> (including related to freedom of information versus privacy....)<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Ce résumé est trop succinct...donc arrêt à lire entièrement..<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> This resumé is too short, so text to be fully taken in<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> consideration<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Bravo aux collègues espagnols<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Great our spanish colleagues<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Bonne journée,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Have a nice day,<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >>> Marie GEORGES<br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >><br style="" class="" clear="none">
> >><br style="" class="" clear="none">
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