<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Wolfgang,<br>yes, exactly. This court decision, apart from the problematic freedom of expression aspects provides for no legal clarity and leads to privacy-by-default (at the expense of FoE) for pragmatical reasons on the long run... see some detailled explanations e.g. here: <a href="http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/">http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/</a><br>
</div>Warm regards,<br>Lorena<br><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-15 9:56 GMT+02:00 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>></span>:<br>
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Hi,<br>
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I have one question: My understanding of the ruling is that an individual has to make a request to a search engine to remove the data/links to the orginal data to the operator of a search engine, in this case Google.<br>
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But what about the other search engines: Yandex, Bing, Baidu etc. If there are 100 search engines, does she/he has to make 100 requests?<br>
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Wolfgang<br>
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Gesendet: Do 15.05.2014 02:50<br>
An: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Marie GEORGES<br>
Cc: Adam Peake; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br>
Betreff: Re: [governance] Information of general interest: arret cour européenne Luxembourg, Spanish DPA against Google<br>
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the court's opinion is pretty clear: it states that art. 7 & 8 (privacy and<br>
data protection) are higher ranked than art. 11 (freedom of expression). In<br>
democracies no right is absolute: they all have to be balanced as peers<br>
-and not within a hierachy. So yes, Oliver is right and has read it pretty<br>
much in deep (as many other law-experts on data protection have done:<br>
<a href="http://mashable.com/2014/05/13/right-to-be-forgotten-europe-google/" target="_blank">http://mashable.com/2014/05/13/right-to-be-forgotten-europe-google/</a> or<br>
<a href="http://europeanlawblog.eu/?p=2351" target="_blank">http://europeanlawblog.eu/?p=2351</a> or<br>
<a href="http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/and" target="_blank">http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/and</a><br>
many more.<br>
This is heavy undemocratic stuff, once we begin to rank some human rights<br>
higher than others...<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Lorena<br>
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2014-05-14 23:16 GMT+02:00 Marie GEORGES <<a href="mailto:marie.georges@noos.fr">marie.georges@noos.fr</a>>:<br>
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> Yes Adam..quite interesting Viktor Mayer-Schönberger 's article<br>
><br>
> The judgement is not at all in favor of censorship at all !!!! Olivier,<br>
> read it in deep, balance of interest is made between privacy and Interest<br>
> of people to know...<br>
><br>
> In Europe( large meaning) if another end is looked for it will be at the<br>
> ECtHR...<br>
><br>
> Best regards<br>
> Marie<br>
><br>
> Le 14 mai 2014 à 12:55, Adam Peake a écrit :<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > On May 14, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> This ruling spells the start of mass censorship in Europe.<br>
> >><br>
> >> It basically means anyone could ask Google to take down a link on the<br>
> >> premise that the information is obsolete. I am sure this is very welcome<br>
> >> to crooks, fraudsters and other criminals. Well done!<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > writing in the UK Guardian, Viktor Mayer-Schönberger suggests otherwise<br>
> -- this is not the end<br>
> ><br>
> > <<br>
> <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/omission-of-search-results-no-right-to-be-forgotten" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/omission-of-search-results-no-right-to-be-forgotten</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Adam<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Olivier<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 13/05/2014 13:23, Marie GEORGES wrote:<br>
> >>> Bonjour,<br>
> >>> Hi<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Cet arrêt est très important,<br>
> >>> This judgement is very important<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Et en première page du New York Times<br>
> >>> And In first page of the New York Times<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Texte complet de l'arrêt , ci attaché, en français et en anglais<br>
> >>> Full judgement here attached in french and in english<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Il reconnait Google search comme un responsable de traitement au sens<br>
> de la directive de 1995 sur la protection des données personnelles qui donc<br>
> est applicable<br>
> >>> It recognizes Google (search) as controller in the meaning of<br>
> Directive of 95 on data protection,that is therefore completely applicable<br>
> to the search engine<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Google doit retirer les informations sur une personne qui lui porte<br>
> préjudice ( y inclus sur base de la liberté d'information/vie privée) lors<br>
> de la réponse à qu'une requête sur le nom de cette personne alors que<br>
> l'information sur le site d'origine est légale<br>
> >>> Google have to take of the referenced documents related to a<br>
> person when that information, lawful on the original web site, appears in<br>
> the answers to a query on her/his name, where such information causes<br>
> undue private life on the basis of the balance of interest criteria<br>
> (including related to freedom of information versus privacy....)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Ce résumé est trop succinct...donc arrêt à lire entièrement..<br>
> >>> This resumé is too short, so text to be fully taken in<br>
> consideration<br>
> >>> Bravo aux collègues espagnols<br>
> >>> Great our spanish colleagues<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Bonne journée,<br>
> >>> Have a nice day,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Marie GEORGES<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
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